UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[SilverFox2]

Let me tell you something about his family. Probably said this before but it proves what a bunch of shits they are as people. His grandfather started the Jewish Telegraph, which as its name suggests, writes for the Jewish community, mainly in Manchester. Rob's father, Paul, now runs it and he has no scruples about running stories that are hurtful to families. One particular story affected my family and concerned my cousin Les, who unfortunately took his own life about 30 years ago.

Paul Harris had been friends with Les at school so they knew each other. He rang my aunt and uncle, who were obviously in a pretty bad state, and offered his condolences. He asked, as a former friend, if they'd have any objection to him running a tribute to his school friend Les in the next issue. They didn't suspect any ulterior motive and said yes. No doubt he'd got a few details of his death off them as part of the conversation. Expecting a nice tribute, they picked up the next issue to see a lurid story, with no detail spared, about how he'd gassed himself in his car. Naturally they were horrified to see something like that splashed all over the news and laid bare for the local community, many of who knew them.

That is the Harris family. Bunch of utter shits and the apple clearly hasn't fallen far from the tree.

Don't know what to say about that behaviour, explains to me why they pick away at what they perceive as vulnerable causes.
Thank you for the warning that such people actually exist.

 

[Gordyola]

Just a question for anybody out there who knows the answer. Of the three officials/ judges at CAS, one is nominated by city one by UEFA and one by CAS. My question is who compiles the list that the club UEFA and CAS pick from.

CAS have a pool of over 300 respectable lawyers

From CAS
Generally speaking, the arbitration is submitted to a panel of three arbitrators.

Under the ordinary procedure, each party chooses one arbitrator from the CAS list, then the two designated arbitrators agree on who will be the president of the panel. Failing such agreement, the President of the Ordinary Arbitration Division makes this selection instead of the two arbitrators.

Under the appeals procedure, each party chooses an arbitrator, and the president of the panel is selected by the President of the Appeals Arbitration Division.

If the parties agree, or if the CAS deems this appropriate, a sole arbitrator may be appointed, depending on the nature and importance of the case.

The arbitrators must be independent, that is to say have no particular connection with any of the parties, and must not have played any role in the case in question.

 

[franksinatra]

Pigeoninho or Frank Sinatra?

If it was me emailing him, it would simply have said well done.

 

[JRockBlues]

In big news stories of the day: Manchester City FC employ services of lawyer that they've used before.

 

[moomba]

The changes to the toolkit are just fact. Public record.

You could argue that the changes werent the difference between us passing and failing but you would think a half decent journo would at least have his curiosity raised.

The fact that he'd rather try and belittle Prestwich than debate a pretty significant issue suggests a couple possible things to me.

- he's as dumb as he seems
- he knows what Prestwich says has merit but it doesn't suit his argument.

Neither say much about his qualities as a journo, the second doesn't say much about his qualities as a man but we know that from his fake video tweets.

 

[JASR]

That I was sorry to hear about his serious mental health issues, hoped he was getting the help he needed and telling him to fuck off.

You should have just referred him to the legal note precedent of Arkell vs Pressdam.

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2013/08/arkell-v-pressdram.html?m=1

 

[domalino]

The changes to the toolkit are just fact. Public record.

You could argue that the changes werent the difference between us passing and failing but you would think a half decent journo would at least have his curiosity raised.

The fact that he'd rather try and belittle Prestwich than debate a pretty significant issue suggests a couple possible things to me.

- he's as dumb as he seems
- he knows what Prestwich says has merit but it doesn't suit his argument.

Neither say much about his qualities as a journo, the second doesn't say much about his qualities as a man but we know that from his fake video tweets.

I have said this already, but if CAS accepts that UEFA can unseal the 2014 settlement agreement, the club should bring all of it back up.

They believed they had a case in 2014 but took the slap on the wrist because the risks of being suspended while litigating it overshadowed the slap on the wrist. Now, a lot of the things UEFA did back there would play a big part in a argument at CAS of UEFA's lack of procedure, good faith and equal treatment.

 

[manimanc]

Just about this time last week we were being demonised. All day today it's been the media eulogising over Liverpool and Klopp getting a letter from a young Irish United fan. Short memories the lot of them. While Pep was visibly upset today felt so sorry for him. How can we show him and the club our total support?

Pep was visibly upset? Was he? I certainly didn't think so, he spoke as usual for me, was a bit cheeky with one reporter, looked like he wanted to dropkick that fuckin wet lettuce Simon stone, answered as normal imo.

 

[Jazzman]

Just about this time last week we were being demonised. All day today it's been the media eulogising over Liverpool and Klopp getting a letter from a young Irish United fan. Short memories the lot of them. While Pep was visibly upset today felt so sorry for him. How can we show him and the club our total support?

Sing his song against Real

 

[Silva top]

Well they're always going to target the most gullible members of society.

What a completely idiotic statement to make! I suggest that you stick to talking about football!

 

[CharliesRightPeg]

CAS have a pool of over 300 respectable lawyers

From CAS
Generally speaking, the arbitration is submitted to a panel of three arbitrators.

Under the ordinary procedure, each party chooses one arbitrator from the CAS list, then the two designated arbitrators agree on who will be the president of the panel. Failing such agreement, the President of the Ordinary Arbitration Division makes this selection instead of the two arbitrators.

Under the appeals procedure, each party chooses an arbitrator, and the president of the panel is selected by the President of the Appeals Arbitration Division.

If the parties agree, or if the CAS deems this appropriate, a sole arbitrator may be appointed, depending on the nature and importance of the case.

The arbitrators must be independent, that is to say have no particular connection with any of the parties, and must not have played any role in the case in question.

Of those 300, quite a few have never actually tried a case and only 100 or so deal with football.

 

[remember arthur mann]

This Stone bloke, has some serious issue's, there must a medical term for someone who talks absolute drivel and enjoys being disliked !!

 

[MillisleBlue]

Felt shocked this time last week. We're now 1 week and 945 pages from the orchestrated bombshell and guess what? We're still here, you bastards. CTIFD.

 

[bluealf]

Perhaps not advisable for James’ own publishing company to keep treating City fans with such disdain...

You would think not but as it is us nobody seems in the least bit concerned to do so.

 

[mat]

Sing his song against Real

Followed by this.


:)

 

[old blue]

This Stone bloke, has some serious issue's, there must a medical term for someone who talks absolute drivel and enjoys being disliked !!

Possibly Tyleritis.

 

[Akpowell]

City should be ashamed of themselves the way they allow pep to be interrogated by these vermin in the press, disgusting & he deserves better

I thought that's what Simon Heggie is there for he's in charge of Media Relations, he wants to start doing what he gets paid for and put a stop to all this shit

 

[BlueRockape]

Followed by this.


:)

Like is not enough.
This should be played before every game
I think it sums us up as supporters

 

[Wretched Vengeance]

I wouldn’t like to cross him even now. He has been in the Ardwick a few times and I didn’t recognise him at first. Thought he was Noel Gallaghers bodyguard at first glance.

Looks like he's into a spot of powerlifting.

 

[domalino]

One thing is for sure, positions are so entrenched that these so-called journalists are past the point of no return. By lowering the tone to such an extent, they simply have to win. It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that their careers are on the line with this CAS judgement. Reputations would be in tatters if City win. By investing themselves so heavily against the club and its fans, their words would have no authority if it turns out that fans online have analysed and articulated the situation far more accurately. Don't think we won't remind them if we do win in Switzerland.

For me, this is the most ironic thing about the whole situation.

This description - "One thing is for sure, positions are so entrenched that these so-called journalists are past the point of no return. By lowering the tone to such an extent, they simply have to win." - is exactly what they think of City fans - that we're so tribal, so blinkered, that the club winning is the only outcome.

...but the same thing is true for them. Where do they go if City win?

What can you say when you've picked over every word of Soriano's interview and branded it a Trump/Putin style disinformation campaign designed to do nothing but spread lies, and then it turns out to be true, and just a bloke pleading innoncence before it is proven?

How do you celebrate that the Grubby Arabs have finally been punished, only for the punishment to disappear at the behest of a legal body respected world round and have to go back to work around the people you attacked?

Why is anyone going to take you seriously when you've called fans "Emirati propaganda bots", "Vicious rats", "Blinkered crackpots" only to find out they were right, and you, who filled columns with defences of the great European institution of UEFA were the one who drank the coolaid?


I don't know how you can professionally take a position like they have, without stopping to consider that City might win. Maybe it's an outside bet, but they might, and you've just spent 25 minutes of your podcast saying that the club are acting like the pravda for questioning the sanctity of an independent hearing so you definitely can't question the verdict either.

What is David Conn going to say to his editor if, in 3 months time everything gets dismissed, and he says, "For fuck sake David, someone literally gave you the evidence that ADUG didn't pay the Etihad deal and you never questioned the fact the whole case was based on emails which said explicitly that ADUG paid the sponsorship"?

Professionally, it seems obvious that's not a position you should ever put yourself in. Everything you write or say should be conditioned on the basis that even if it's just a 5% chance, you might be back-pedalling pretty rapidly in a few months. That doesn't mean City should get a pass until the appeal, but don't dig such a big hole that if the unlikely happens, you've blown your credibility as a journalist.