UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[nmc]

Fair play wenger ... Richard keys says city brought all ur best players....wenger replies they made us survive as well (financially)

The key point being we bought them.... We payed the full asking price.

 

[blue oli]

I'm described as a "self-styled expert" in none other than the Financial Times this morning. You definitely get a better class of insult in the FT.

They haven’t seen you in real life then have they - styled ? [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

 

[Ban-jani]

Mahrez just said “very confident” post match about what’s going on.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Once got involved in a complex employment case - regarding “protected rights” for older employees a few years ago and whether they were consistent with age legislation. Employer said they weren’t and Union (CWU) said they were. Our side (the Employer) hired a QC Andrew Hochhauser - Essex Chambers. Christ he dismantled our side for breakfast before beating the living daylights out of the other side. His grasp of facts was immense, his power of argument something to behold - but Christ was he scary. Dunno what he cost but never been in a room with anyone as good as him before or since.

Yeah, the top commercial silks inhabit a different world. As clever as I like to think I am, these guys are on another level entirely. They deserve the top dollar. There’s lots riding on their advice.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

He made the fatal mistake of asking me about UEFA'S change to FFP so I took him through it and he published an article about it, having checked with Rob Wilson at Sheffield Hallam University who agreed I was correct. Of course, that attracted the attention of hyenas like Castles and Harris.

always going to happen stuff like that ain’t it

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

Gary was naïve and tried to engage with Harris as a rational individual but Harris was clearly on the verge of the breakdown he had at the time. I don't know what he said but I do know Gary was very shaken and upset, so it must have been quite bad.

harris is a bully, soon melted when confronted at Wembley last season

 

[bluwes]

Back in the day it would've been Barry Cuttle, doubt he's still around now.

Barry is alive and well. Not sure if he’s still representing prostitutes at The Mags court anymore though

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Harris et al are hustlers.

Nothing wrong with that per se, but if you’re just after ratings then you’ll twist the truth around that.

They are playing to a narrative that they’ve identified as one to exploit.

 

[HelloCity]

harris is a bully, soon melted when confronted at Wembley last season

What happened with him at Wembley?

 

[GBrannan]

I see I’ve come in for some fair abuse on here for an apparently stupid comment.


However, let me just explain why I’m concerned. Reading the 2000 plus pages on here has given me the assurance that City are on safe grounds and will win the case. Ranging from, UEFA didn’t even look at our defence to proof that the Etihad sponsorship was clearly paid by the Executive Council from Abu Dhabi and not from our owners.


The lawyer we hired is famous for a technicality in fighting Brexit. So while I’m as concerned as everyone else here on the outcome, I’m merely questioning the need for this kind of approach for our case. Obviously I don’t want the shittiest lawyers but just asking why we really have to get the best at 20k if we’re sure of our case?

Probably because if we don’t hire the best UEFA will. They’ve had the deck stacked in their favour so far so we hopefully get to realign that at CAS.

Time will tell if we did break the rules, and if so by how much. If it proves we did, but we didn’t try our best to defend ourselves we’d feel foolish and be seen as pretty stupid (more so than we already appear for writing down in emails the stuff we did... that has got us into this mess). We need the best people to articulate our position as well as having the best create our case and hopefully rip theirs to pieces.

To put it into context about potential value. We probably paid the likes of Danny Mills, over the lifetime of his contract, significantly more than this guy and his team will cost.

Hopefully the lawyers give us a better return.

 

[KS55]

Once got involved in a complex employment case - regarding “protected rights” for older employees a few years ago and whether they were consistent with age legislation. Employer said they weren’t and Union (CWU) said they were. Our side (the Employer) hired a QC Andrew Hochhauser - Essex Chambers. Christ he dismantled our side for breakfast before beating the living daylights out of the other side. His grasp of facts was immense, his power of argument something to behold - but Christ was he scary. Dunno what he cost but never been in a room with anyone as good as him before or since.

Important point in your post: lawyers must examine the oppos story and see how ours stands up to it. Grasp the facts, deconstruct both cases, then construct arguments
1 For own side, both attack and defence
2 Against oppos case
And ensure there are no surprises.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Probably because if we don’t hire the best UEFA will. They’ve had the deck stacked in their favour so far so we hopefully get to realign that at CAS.

Time will tell if we did break the rules, and if so by how much. If it proves we did, but we didn’t try our best to defend ourselves we’d feel foolish and be seen as pretty stupid (more so than we already appear for writing down in emails the stuff we did... that has got us into this mess). We need the best people to articulate our position as well as having the best create our case and hopefully rip theirs to pieces.

To put it into context about potential value. We probably paid the likes of Danny Mills, over the lifetime of his contract, significantly more than this guy and his team will cost.

Hopefully the lawyers give us a better return.

People grossly overestimate the influence an advocate has much of the time. In, I would say, three quarters of cases, no matter how good or bad someone’s case is presented (within certain parameters) the outcome is inevitable from the outset.

It’s that other 25% where skill, craft and judgement as an advocate make a real difference. That’s what the job is all about. Winning one of those.

City will want to give themselves the best possible chance. Every percentage could count.

 

[sir baconface]

Not sure why we pay top dollar to Baldy when managers like Moyes would be cheaper.

 

[Pam]

Not sure why we pay top dollar to Baldy when managers like Moyes would be cheaper.

Oh exactly.

 

[Sir peace frog]

For the sake of balance, the likes of Harris and Delaney routinely refer to people on this forum as “unhinged”, “deranged”, “crazies” etc. Harris, tragically, calls it “Blue Loon”.

well they do get a few things right then

 

[samarasra]

Seems we are "raving", another expert who hasn't read Martin Samuel's informative articles.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/break...ind-all-that-glitters-is-not-gold-983289.html
As Buddy Holly sang "Rave On".

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

Heat happened with him at Wembley?

in the press area?

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

I see city have hired David Pannick QC to represent them.

he was the fantastic silk who wiped the floor with govt in the brexit stuff. Gina millers lawyer.

20k a day apparently

If he gets us out of this mess should we all buy shirts with his name on the back?

 

[Metalartin]

No doubt for the same underlying reason Rob Harris and David Conn take exception

You say that as if Rob Harris taking exception with someone means anything. Utter nonsense mate.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Hahahahahahaha, arsene wenger just now on bein , FFP is not good for the modern era of football . A billionaire will not invest in football now.

Clip should be out soon

Seriously ?