UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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Prestwich_Blue said:
Let me tell you something about his family. Probably said this before but it proves what a bunch of shits they are as people. His grandfather started the Jewish Telegraph, which as its name suggests, writes for the Jewish community, mainly in Manchester. Rob's father, Paul, now runs it and he has no scruples about running stories that are hurtful to families. One particular story affected my family and concerned my cousin Les, who unfortunately took his own life about 30 years ago.

Paul Harris had been friends with Les at school so they knew each other. He rang my aunt and uncle, who were obviously in a pretty bad state, and offered his condolences. He asked, as a former friend, if they'd have any objection to him running a tribute to his school friend Les in the next issue. They didn't suspect any ulterior motive and said yes. No doubt he'd got a few details of his death off them as part of the conversation. Expecting a nice tribute, they picked up the next issue to see a lurid story, with no detail spared, about how he'd gassed himself in his car. Naturally they were horrified to see something like that splashed all over the news and laid bare for the local community, many of who knew them.

That is the Harris family. Bunch of utter shits and the apple clearly hasn't fallen far from the tree.
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Disgusting fucking parasites.

Really sorry to hear that mate, am awful awful story.
 
Stevob said:
This might not seem like big news, but it really is. As an ex-lawyer who knows a bit about the sports law space, I can tell you he is one of the smartest, most highly respected lawyers in the world. In player terms - he’s Messi. If true and he is onboard, then this is very, very positive. We might just beat this yet!
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He's represented City in the past.

The Joe Royle case.
 
Gordyola said:
CAS have a pool of over 300 respectable lawyers

From CAS
Generally speaking, the arbitration is submitted to a panel of three arbitrators.

Under the ordinary procedure, each party chooses one arbitrator from the CAS list, then the two designated arbitrators agree on who will be the president of the panel. Failing such agreement, the President of the Ordinary Arbitration Division makes this selection instead of the two arbitrators.

Under the appeals procedure, each party chooses an arbitrator, and the president of the panel is selected by the President of the Appeals Arbitration Division.

If the parties agree, or if the CAS deems this appropriate, a sole arbitrator may be appointed, depending on the nature and importance of the case.

The arbitrators must be independent, that is to say have no particular connection with any of the parties, and must not have played any role in the case in question.
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Thanks for that .
Just a final thought on this , I presume the 300 lawyers on the list would be international lawyers not Swiss only. Is the list of these 300 lawyers available to the public.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
What does he mean, 'Even Stu Brennan was embarrassed about the tool kit'

Since when was the MEN still considered a primary City source for anything.

Even United, for that matter?
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From what I remember, Brennan wasn’t like that at all and his article about the toolkit was pro-City. I think he got quotes from an expert in that field who backed up what PB was saying. Granted, the expert said it didn’t necessarily mean it was done deliberately to screw City over but that could be as much to do with him not wanting to be seen to be throwing accusations at UEFA as anything else.

So Nick Cockroach is a lying fuckwit but what’s new?
 
domalino said:
For me, this is the most ironic thing about the whole situation.

This description - "One thing is for sure, positions are so entrenched that these so-called journalists are past the point of no return. By lowering the tone to such an extent, they simply have to win." - is exactly what they think of City fans - that we're so tribal, so blinkered, that the club winning is the only outcome.

...but the same thing is true for them. Where do they go if City win?

What can you say when you've picked over every word of Soriano's interview and branded it a Trump/Putin style disinformation campaign designed to do nothing but spread lies, and then it turns out to be true, and just a bloke pleading innoncence before it is proven?

How do you celebrate that the Grubby Arabs have finally been punished, only for the punishment to disappear at the behest of a legal body respected world round?

Why is anyone going to take you seriously when you've called fans "Emirati propaganda bots", "Vicious rats", "Blinkered crackpots" only to find out they were right, and you, who filled columns with defences of the great European institution of UEFA were the one who drank the coolaid?


I don't know how you can professionally take a position like they have, without stopping to consider that City might win. Maybe it's an outside bet, but they might, and you've just spent 25 minutes of your podcast saying that the club are acting like the pravda for questioning the sanctity of an independent hearing so you definitely can't question the verdict either.

What is David Conn going to say to his editor if, in 3 months time everything gets dismissed, and he says, "For fuck sake David, someone literally gave you the evidence that ADUG didn't pay the Etihad deal and you never questioned the fact the whole case was based on emails which said explicitly that ADUG paid the sponsorship"?
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Very good post.

I do believe though they are led by the editorial , the owners, and they are doing as they are told. They will be rewarded handsomely or quietly dropped.
 
petrusha said:
PB uncovered changes to the UEFA document (the toolkit) which related to the application of FFP. IIRC, the revised application meant that we couldn't avoid punishment by deducting wages under pre-2010 contracts to fall within a certain threshold whereby we'd have avoided a penalty despite falling FFP in the first period.

The suggestion is that even Brennan - regarded as an arch-City defender by these people - didn't agree with Colin's analysis.

IMO for a journalist to contact a fan privately like this is a sign of him having spectacularly lost the plot. Dunno if you'd agree with that, mate, given your professional background?
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Bang on Peter. In the post I’ve just made, I’ve called out Nick Harris as a liar on Brennan’s stance.

Harris is also the c*nt who sent Gary James threatening DMs on Twitter last year.
 
domalino said:
For me, this is the most ironic thing about the whole situation.

This description - "One thing is for sure, positions are so entrenched that these so-called journalists are past the point of no return. By lowering the tone to such an extent, they simply have to win." - is exactly what they think of City fans - that we're so tribal, so blinkered, that the club winning is the only outcome.

...but the same thing is true for them. Where do they go if City win?

What can you say when you've picked over every word of Soriano's interview and branded it a Trump/Putin style disinformation campaign designed to do nothing but spread lies, and then it turns out to be true, and just a bloke pleading innoncence before it is proven?

How do you celebrate that the Grubby Arabs have finally been punished, only for the punishment to disappear at the behest of a legal body respected world round?

Why is anyone going to take you seriously when you've called fans "Emirati propaganda bots", "Vicious rats", "Blinkered crackpots" only to find out they were right, and you, who filled columns with defences of the great European institution of UEFA were the one who drank the coolaid?


I don't know how you can professionally take a position like they have, without stopping to consider that City might win. Maybe it's an outside bet, but they might, and you've just spent 25 minutes of your podcast saying that the club are acting like the pravda for questioning the sanctity of an independent hearing so you definitely can't question the verdict either.

What is David Conn going to say to his editor if, in 3 months time everything gets dismissed, and he says, "For fuck sake David, someone literally gave you the evidence that ADUG didn't pay the Etihad deal and you never questioned the fact the whole case was based on emails which said explicitly that ADUG paid the sponsorship"?
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Great post but a anyone who reads Private Eye knows, the media has an incredible capacity for deluding even themselves. Not just a paper but a specific journalist will take one position one week and a totally contrary one the next. And they won't even say "I was wrong on that. I didn't think it through". They'll write it like they always thought that way. It's like 1984 Live apart from the fact they aren't deleting their previous stories.
 
domalino said:
This is the most ironic thing about the whole situation.

This description - "One thing is for sure, positions are so entrenched that these so-called journalists are past the point of no return. By lowering the tone to such an extent, they simply have to win." - is exactly what they think of City fans - that we're so tribal, so blinkered, that the club winning is the only outcome.

What you've written is exactly true. Where do they go if City win?

What can you say when you've picked over every word of Soriano's interview and branded it a Trump/Putin style disinformation campaign designed to do nothing but spread lies, and then it turns out to be true?

How do you celebrate that the Grubby Arabs have finally been punished, only for the punishment to disappear at the behest of a legal body respected world round?

Why is anyone going to take you seriously when you've called fans "Emirati propaganda bots", "Vicious rats", "Blinkered crackpots" only to find out they were right?


I don't know how you can take a position like that, like they have, without stopping to consider that City might win. Maybe it's an outside bet, but they might, and you've just spent 25 minutes of your podcast saying that the club are acting like the pravda for questioning the sanctity of an independent hearing so you definitely can't question the verdict either.

What is David Conn going to say to his editor if, in 3 months time everything gets dismissed, and he says, "For fuck sake David, someone literally gave you the evidence that ADUG didn't pay the Etihad deal and you never questioned the fact the whole case was based on emails which said explicitly that ADUG paid the sponsorship"?
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Because if we do win, who the fuck is going to criticise them? Themselves? Sadly, they're in a win win situation: slag us to fuck before the appeal and CAS's judgement, garnering support from partisan football supporters up and down the leagues/country who lap up their constant bullshit; then, if we are found to have been right all along, simply ignore the fact they backed the wrong horse and instead just reprint all the negstive shit that isn't libellous, with a tone suggesting that we 'got away' with it.

The real tragedy is that there will be no recriminations, introspection or apologies from the press that have so wantonly and brazenly abused our club, not because we will not deserve such vindication and redress, but because the vast majority of the bottom-feeding ****s all piss in the same pot and have no honour or moral compass. I guess it must be hard to feel any sense of shame when surrounded by those that are shameless.
 
Man_City_Loyal said:
What’s Brennan done?
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He made the fatal mistake of asking me about UEFA'S change to FFP so I took him through it and he published an article about it, having checked with Rob Wilson at Sheffield Hallam University who agreed I was correct. Of course, that attracted the attention of hyenas like Castles and Harris.
 
asahartford1 said:
Very good post.

I do believe though they are led by the editorial , the owners, and they are doing as they are told. They will be rewarded handsomely or quietly dropped.
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I don't think they're lead by the editorial, that veers too much into conspiracy, but I do think they place far, far too much faith in their friends' opinions, and 1 or 2 names who have been dug in for a long while have told them their side of things and they've all swallowed it whole.

Max Rushden, for example, has probably had a water-cooler conversation with Conn or Liew and believed everything they've said which is why he'd write a line like this in his article -

There are Manchester City fans who believe with total conviction that Uefa, and the highly experienced adjudicatory committee, are all prepared to risk their reputations with this verdict because they don’t like Manchester City. It is a stretch to suggest the former prime minister of Belgium really is that irked by City fans booing the Champions League anthem.
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I'm pretty sure Max has no idea who the fuck Yves Leterme is, or how he was at the centre of the controversy around ignoring independent evidence to save PSG from FFP, despite outcry from his colleagues and without justification, delivering a verdict so corrupt that Rodriguez de Cunha sent it back to be reopened because it was not acceptable.

He probably doesn't know he was kicked out of his last job because of accusations of "discrimination, preferential treatment and harassment". If he did, you would doubt he'd use him as the bastion of justice and mock City fans for thinking he might not be on the level.

I would be surpised if he even knew Yves Leterme by name, but his mates Dave and Jonny told him how disingenuous and outright dangerous it was for Manchester City to doubt the credibility of The former Belgian Prime-Minister so he chucks it in his article. "Ha ha ha, silly tribal City fans..."


Edit - And by the way, it is painfully funny that so many people refer to Leterme as such as if to say - "This guy is legit! A Prime Minister, City fans, he's not going to be bent!"

Oh of course. Because there's nothing dodgy about Boris, May, Cameron, Brown or Blair, is there? They're former prime ministers, you can't question that integrity. They aren't going to do anything to besmirch their reputations!
 
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Nascent Blues said:
Because if we do win, who the fuck is going to criticise them? Themselves? Sadly, they're in a win win situation: slag us to fuck before the appeal and CAS's judgement, garnering support from partisan football supporters up and down the leagues/country who lap up their constant bullshit; then, if we are found to have been right all along, simply ignore the fact they backed the wrong horse and instead just reprint all the negstive shit that isn't libellous, with a tone suggesting that we 'got away' with it.

The real tragedy is that there will be no recriminations, introspection or apologies from the press that have so wantonly and brazenly abused our club, not because we will not deserve such vindication and redress, but because the vast majority of the bottom-feeding ****s all piss in the same pot and have no honour or moral compass. I guess it must be hard to feel any sense of shame when surrounded by those that are shameless.
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Exactly what I was going to post. They don’t give a fuck as it’s only us that will remember how badly wrong they got it, the “masses” won’t remember, they just read the latest shite and believe it all.
 
Mental health is not something to take lightly, but if anyone is going to have a breakdown I wouldn't mind it being nick Harris again.
 
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