UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[lcfc_chump]

@Bandofblues

Answer me a question:
Why exactly is owner investment bad?
It is not inherently bad
Despite your recent successes, despite the good for Manchester and other areas of the UK game, your face does not fit and you are not welcome to the club it seems.
FFP, the new Copenhagen model for CL are all mechanisms to persist the status quo, the Copenhagen one may actually work, as Juves’ was way too obvious, although how the Copenhagen one will effect you folks I do not know.

If it is tiny compensation, if your face does not fit, we (Leicester, Wolves, Sheffield Utd!!) do not even have a face at which to sneer.

 

[Newman Noggs]

Answer me a question:
Why exactly is owner investment bad?
It is not inherently bad
Despite your recent successes, despite the good for Manchester and other areas of the UK game, your face does not fit and you are not welcome to the club it seems.
FFP, the new Copenhagen model for CL are all mechanisms to persist the status quo, the Copenhagen one may actually work, as Juves’ was way too obvious, although how the Copenhagen one will effect you folks I do not know.

If it is tiny compensation, if your face does not fit, we (Leicester, Wolves, Sheffield Utd!!) do not even have a face at which to sneer.

Exactly. Which is why fans of other clubs are being gulled into thinking City are the enemy. Classic establishment trick to distract the masses whilst they go about their nefarious activities unobserved and with impunity..

 

[unexpected item]

Wouldn't be loverly to beat Madrid over two legs, and the three other English teams all go out?

The British media rallying behind the sole English representative in the Champions League would be a thing to behold.

 

[deano ou812]

5 Live live right now absolute lying bastards live on air!

'Ian Ladyman asked that question for the Daily Mail but was immediately shut down by City's press officer'

You lying utter ****s, I have literaly just watched the video on here and Pep gives a 1 minute awnser! The BBC are absolute gutter press these days, utter utter scum

What did he ask ?

 

[TheBlueDune]

What did he ask ?

It was like a double question. First was usual bollox which pep gave usual answer (my club, club shown me, appeal, etc) with a follow up. Something like will the rest of football thinking you're a bunch of cheats affect your ability, blah, blah, blah.
Wingman said "We've covered this on last three press conferences, now shut the f### up you c###."

 

[@BluePhil8]

What did he ask ?

More inane FFP questions.

 

[BertTrautmann'sParachute]

@Bandofblues

Answer me a question:
Why exactly is owner investment bad?
It is not inherently bad
Despite your recent successes, despite the good for Manchester and other areas of the UK game, your face does not fit and you are not welcome to the club it seems.
FFP, the new Copenhagen model for CL are all mechanisms to persist the status quo, the Copenhagen one may actually work, as Juves’ was way too obvious, although how the Copenhagen one will effect you folks I do not know.

If it is tiny compensation, if your face does not fit, we (Leicester, Wolves, Sheffield Utd!!) do not even have a face at which to sneer.

Without FFP both Leicester and Wolves would have had a very good chance of being sneered at by UEFA.

 

[Woody135]

No one knows the details of what we’ve been charged with other than “committed serious breaches of FFP by overstating sponsorship in submissions to UEFA between 2012 and 2016”.
UEFA won’t comment until it is through CAS and neither will city, so until that happens everyone is guessing. We won’t have a conclusion until the summer at the earliest so that is a long time to wait blues and until then we will be assumed to be guilty unfortunately.

I want to know what CAS can do and what options we actually have available. Anyone that does know, please say.

Can CAS re-hear our initial FFP case and re-judge our guilt? I.e. superceding UEFAs sanction. Which allows us to make our case for our compliance and ensure all relevant evidence is seen.

Or, will they only consider whether the UEFA sanction is lawful and/or appropriate? Which means we can’t present our evidence for compliance, but need to argue that UEFA did not follow due process, ignored evidence etc.

Feel like if we are innocent of the accusations, the second type of legal case is significantly less likely to be successful.

 

[laserblue]

Have you a ref for Leterme statement in Dec18?

This is from City's own recent statement.

In December 2018, the UEFA Chief Investigator publicly previewed the outcome and sanction he intended to be delivered to Manchester City, before any investigation had even begun. The subsequent flawed and consistently leaked UEFA process he oversaw has meant that there was little doubt in the result that he would deliver. The Club has formally complained to the UEFA Disciplinary body, a complaint which was validated by a CAS ruling.

 

[nmc]

Wouldn't be loverly to beat Madrid over two legs, and the three other English teams all go out?

The British media rallying behind the sole English representative in the Champions League would be a thing to behold.

Rally around? They’d root for Barcelona.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Real Madrid CF (ESP) - Manchester City FC (ENG)
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Lorenzo Manganelli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Bo Karlsson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Nebojša Ivković (SRB)

The Italian Job

They've hidden the last four letters of the VAR refs name; onal.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

@Bandofblues

Answer me a question:
Why exactly is owner investment bad?
It is not inherently bad
Despite your recent successes, despite the good for Manchester and other areas of the UK game, your face does not fit and you are not welcome to the club it seems.
FFP, the new Copenhagen model for CL are all mechanisms to persist the status quo, the Copenhagen one may actually work, as Juves’ was way too obvious, although how the Copenhagen one will effect you folks I do not know.

If it is tiny compensation, if your face does not fit, we (Leicester, Wolves, Sheffield Utd!!) do not even have a face at which to sneer.

Martin Samuels in the Mail wrote long pieces about the protectionism on 14th and 17th, plus a snippet today.

I haven't heard of this Copenhagen thing.

And yes, you're right. You get noticed when you become a threat to displace someone else.

 

[KS55]

This is from City's own recent statement.

In December 2018, the UEFA Chief Investigator publicly previewed the outcome and sanction he intended to be delivered to Manchester City, before any investigation had even begun. The subsequent flawed and consistently leaked UEFA process he oversaw has meant that there was little doubt in the result that he would deliver. The Club has formally complained to the UEFA Disciplinary body, a complaint which was validated by a CAS ruling.

Thanks. I saw that but could not find any direct quote.

 

[Centurions]

Thanks. I saw that but could not find any direct quote.

For one:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...stigator-confirms-manchester-city-could-face/

Spot at least 2 deliberate mistakes in there.

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

Thanks, Oakie! You have to be thick skinned to be a City supporter...goes with the territory :))

Whilst I don't play on twitter, whenever you are quoted on here or some of the tweets are relayed you are very impressive.

You are very knowledgeable and obviously put the research in (immediately making you more informed than most of the 'journalists' that you tackle).

You are a credit to the fanbase.........

 

[BamberBridgeBlue]

@Bandofblues

Answer me a question:
Why exactly is owner investment bad?
It is not inherently bad
Despite your recent successes, despite the good for Manchester and other areas of the UK game, your face does not fit and you are not welcome to the club it seems.
FFP, the new Copenhagen model for CL are all mechanisms to persist the status quo, the Copenhagen one may actually work, as Juves’ was way too obvious, although how the Copenhagen one will effect you folks I do not know.

If it is tiny compensation, if your face does not fit, we (Leicester, Wolves, Sheffield Utd!!) do not even have a face at which to sneer.

You hit the nail on the head. And surely you can then see the slow decline of football if you follow that through to it’s natural conclusion.

At the start of every season, the fans of every club deserve to go into it with a degree of optimism. I remember when Roman Abramovic first turned up at Chelsea and upset the old order. I loved it! I also dared dream it would happen to my club. The days of Brian Clough managing unfashionable clubs to success with well organised teams was over. The Bosman ruling changed the face of football. Everybody knew where they were in the pecking order. You wanted your team to do well, but not too well as the media would be auctioning off your star players to “the big clubs” and mid table mediocrity was desirable. But Abramovic changed all that. Like Championship Manager, you could win the Champions League with Rochdale! The dream was alive.

Now, UEFA and the “powerful clubs” want their train set back. Leicester, MCFC, Wolves, Everton et al better forget having their day in the sun unless you can conjure up a few million rabid Twitter followers on the other side of the world.

In a few short years, we can all go back to being the 7th match on the highlights after sitting through the ritual worship of United, Liverpool and Arsenal. The old world order restored and repurposed for a new global audience who will vote on penalties and red cards etc. No more VAR controversy at Chelsea as instead 2.6 million voted on Facebook to keep Maguire on the pitch.

Never mind, Coronavirus might save us all from this edifice.

Yours cheerfully

Concerned from Bamber Bridge

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

1 - We are not part of the 'iiiiiiiiiistory boys club
2 - Our owners are not American
3 - Our owners are brown

How close did I get?

 

[Plays By Sense Of Smell]

I'm not so sure in view of the IC's indecent haste to cut the investigation short so as to just squeeze in the 5 year self imposed UEFA moratorium on re-opening old cases. City could of course have submitted their evidence fairly late in an attempted filibuster manoeuvre to drag the investigation over the 5 year limit but who could blame them if they did?

Not our problem, assuming due process is followed by all. If it wasn't (certainly appears that way on the UEFA side of things) then accepting that position as fine potentially renders all of their other associated rules and processes null and meaningless. Meaning we wouldn't be guilty of anything.

 

[Plays By Sense Of Smell]

Retrospectively applied back to 2008....

If we're being arbitrary, how about turn of the last century? That would f*ck things up!

 

[kaz7]

I particularly enjoyed this little separate two par jab in Martin Samuel's Daily Mail column today...

When Manchester City were banned by UEFA there was much excitement that Sheffield United might get into the Champions League. And, yes, it would have been marvellous. Have a look at fifth place now, though. You didn't really think David Gill put all those hours in at UEFA so they could catch a break at Bramhall Lane, did you?

Nail. Head.

Ha,i love him,pity none of the others have the gonads to write the truth