COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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west didsblue said:
My guess is that we’ll do something similar to Italy which will slow down its spread to an extent that the NHS will just be able to cope. I’m an optimist though and if I’m wrong the NHS could get totally overwhelmed.
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1 in 20 will probably need a critical care bed. There are about 4000 critical care beds in England and they are at least 80% occupied (often much more). If we assume that no one will need admitting to hospital, unless they need critical care, there will be a maximum of 800 beds available. Now, factor in the following audit, completed in February 2018, and it’ll probably be a somewhat worse.

  • 3/5 of units do not have a full critical care nursing complement.
  • 2/5 of units have to close beds due to staffing shortages on at least a weekly basis. Only 14% of units did not have to close beds.
  • 4/5 of units had to transfer patients due to lack of beds. With 21% units doing this at least monthly.
  • The bed fill rate for Northern Ireland and Wales was estimated to be at least 95%. Scotland was 84%. NHS England data put the critical care bed capacity rate at 87%, but a number of units responded to express doubt that the rate entered for their Trusts was a true reflection of their real capacity.

If you keep funding 4-5% growth in annual demand with 0.1% growth in annual funding, this is the inevitable consequence, I’m afraid.
 
Yet Easyjet will still not refund if you are due to fly anywhere there because they are still flying!
 
ballinio said:
I thoughtthat would be the first thing to do , stop flights from Italy , if that’s true then we really can’t trust the government to do any thing correctly , i’m Staggered by that , just so fucking stupid .
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Seen it on Twitter, flights arriving from Northern Italy with not a single check in place. Just walking straight into the country humming happy birthday.
 
It seems that panic-buying idiocy has hit the UK.









Of course the problem with idiots panic-buying is that they then force non-idiots to do the same because they risk not having any bog roll.

Thankfully here in Malaysia we all have a bum gun.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
1 in 20 will probably need a critical care bed. There are about 4000 critical care beds in England and they are at least 80% occupied (often much more). If we assume that no one will need admitting to hospital, unless they need critical care, there will be a maximum of 800 beds available. Now, factor in the following audit, completed in February 2018, and it’ll probably be a somewhat worse.

  • 3/5 of units do not have a full critical care nursing complement.
  • 2/5 of units have to close beds due to staffing shortages on at least a weekly basis. Only 14% of units did not have to close beds.
  • 4/5 of units had to transfer patients due to lack of beds. With 21% units doing this at least monthly.
  • The bed fill rate for Northern Ireland and Wales was estimated to be at least 95%. Scotland was 84%. NHS England data put the critical care bed capacity rate at 87%, but a number of units responded to express doubt that the rate entered for their Trusts was a true reflection of their real capacity.
If you keep funding 4-5% growth in annual demand with 0.1% growth in annual funding, this is the inevitable consequence, I’m afraid.
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Thanks for cheering me up :-(
 
SWP's back said:
At least they’re now doing something.
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We've been doing little steps for weeks, the problem is the government has proceeded tentatively and with uncertainty, with a few communication problems along the way. It's understandable, in this situation, but it's not an effective behaviour.
 
west didsblue said:
I think it’s China that’s the anomaly due the strict measures they managed to enforce to keep the rate down to 50 per million people. I think Italy is likely a foretaste if what we will get in a couple of weeks. Hope I’m wrong.
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I agree. The much maligned attitude of the Chinese state to human rights probably made enforcing quarantine / containment fairly straightforward. S Korea which seems to be coping probably has a similar sway over its population due to them living pretty constantly on a war footing. Not sure we'd achieve the same here - look what happened when we were told not to panic buy.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
1 in 20 will probably need a critical care bed. There are about 4000 critical care beds in England and they are at least 80% occupied (often much more). If we assume that no one will need admitting to hospital, unless they need critical care, there will be a maximum of 800 beds available. Now, factor in the following audit, completed in February 2018, and it’ll probably be a somewhat worse.

  • 3/5 of units do not have a full critical care nursing complement.
  • 2/5 of units have to close beds due to staffing shortages on at least a weekly basis. Only 14% of units did not have to close beds.
  • 4/5 of units had to transfer patients due to lack of beds. With 21% units doing this at least monthly.
  • The bed fill rate for Northern Ireland and Wales was estimated to be at least 95%. Scotland was 84%. NHS England data put the critical care bed capacity rate at 87%, but a number of units responded to express doubt that the rate entered for their Trusts was a true reflection of their real capacity.
If you keep funding 4-5% growth in annual demand with 0.1% growth in annual funding, this is the inevitable consequence, I’m afraid.
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Blue Hefner said:
There have been in Italy. A women on the radio was saying that since Friday workers have now started wearing face-masks and also making sure everyone in the queue is at least 1 meter away from each other
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Ill be surprised if that happens for us.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
It seems that panic-buying idiocy has hit the UK.







Of course the problem with idiots panic-buying is that they then force non-idiots to do the same because they risk not having any bog roll.

Thankfully here in Malaysia we all have a bum gun.
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Have you been in quarantine?


There is at least 15 pages from fri/sat on this thread with everyone arguing if it's a cunts trick or good planning all this hoarding shite


Oh and that washing your arse is better than wiping
;-)
 
Regarding hospital equiptment/response, ventilators will be in most demand, so i read from medical staff. The UK ICU's already run at roughly 90% occupancy during regular demand with a very limited ability to build more in a time scale we would need should it explode here. The protocol for amplified ICU care such as needed with this virus also provides it's own issues. You need more protective gear all round including individual isolation per infected person and more staff, for example to check your gear before you enter the quarantined icu areas you need a buddy to check you, much like a fighter pilot has his co-pilot check his gear is all linked up properly. The resources needed cripple fast action for fear of endangering/infecting more people.

Every single step to fight this virus bogs responders and medical personel down. It must be desperately frustrating stopping every 2 steps to decontaminate yourself and such when you can see your work load piling up in real time in front of your eyes with the result of slowing down to do this being the possible deaths of your patients. I can't imagine how stressful that must be to a medical professional on the front line.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I agree. The much maligned attitude of the Chinese state to human rights probably made enforcing quarantine / containment fairly straightforward. S Korea which seems to be coping probably has a similar sway over its population due to them living pretty constantly on a war footing. Not sure we'd achieve the same here - look what happened when we were told not to panic buy.
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To be fair, I'm not sure Korea is as bad as the numbers would make it seem. When you look into the death rate in Korea (<0.7%) it's obvious that their high rates are due to massive levels of testing. Italy has suffered more than 5 times as many deaths with roughly the same number of reported cases, which means that either Italians are more likely to die from it, or there are huge numbers in Italy who have it but haven't been tested. The increase of 1800 cases in Italy today suggests that they've started to test it more and realised that it's a lot more serious than first thought.
 
The panic buying only goes to suggest that perhaps a virus that could wipe out a chunk of the population isn’t an entirely bad thing. Why is toilet roll the top coveted item? It may as well be tooth paste for all the sense it makes. I look forward to seeing masses of people in lockdown on their bog roll thrones starving and dehydrated in a few weeks time.
 
urban genie said:
Have you been in quarantine?


There is at least 15 pages from fri/sat on this thread with everyone arguing if it's a cunts trick or good planning all this hoarding shite


Oh and that washing your arse is better than wiping
;-)
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Just saw it trending on Twitter. Sorry I don't keep 24 hour tabs on this thread. ;)
 
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