UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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FrankSwift1 said:
I agree with a lot of the points people have raised about FFP being challenged and possibly ruled to be illiegal. But why would we try and do that? We have the 5th biggest revenues in Europe and are set to be one of the biggest clubs in the World for the foreseeable future with or without the ban. To overturn it would be a long and costly process and even if we were successful we would get no thanks and its now against our interests.

I would love a situation where there was genuine fairness in football but its not going to happen. There is too much money and vested interest in keeping the status quo. Lets leave a challenge to a Leeds or an Everton with new owners and deep pockets.

We need to concetrate on overturning the ban. We will probably focus on whether Uefa followed their own procedure, our own 'irrefutable' evidence and also if the punishment is justifiable. We will probably throw in how other clubs such as Juventus and Bayern are funded to show our situation is not unique. I think we wont really attack FFP but try and prove we followed it or found justifiable loopholes.
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I am trying hard,... but no,...I could not disagree with you more, just where do you draw the line ???
 
JULES said:
I am trying hard,... but no,...I could not disagree with you more, just where do you draw the line ???
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You draw it wherever you believe your strategic and moral imperatives to be sufficiently acceptable to you. Sometimes this could mean avoiding a pyrric victory.

The world would probably be a better place if more warring couples were able to see past emotional drive in their splits. (Hence I believe, our current stance re: 'not hating UEFA' - a sign of reconciliation).

Unfortunately our 'extended family' in this may not have been the types we would have originally chosen to exist with (do we ever get the chance?!?) - direct and ruthless competitors who previously had things all to themselves.

And so we find ourselves in a delicate place of having to;
a) defend ourselves against apparent injust punishment
b) while trying to ensure it doesn't happen again
c) with the added potential of gaining a seat on the board of the family business which could both prevent such reocurrences and open the door to new incredible opportunities.

The game is truly afoot, and I for one trust our highly strategic and literally, resourceful(l) leadership to play it to our best advantage given what we now know about the nature and legacy of the other parties.
 
FrankSwift1 said:
I agree with a lot of the points people have raised about FFP being challenged and possibly ruled to be illiegal. But why would we try and do that? We have the 5th biggest revenues in Europe and are set to be one of the biggest clubs in the World for the foreseeable future with or without the ban. To overturn it would be a long and costly process and even if we were successful we would get no thanks and its now against our interests.

I would love a situation where there was genuine fairness in football but its not going to happen. There is too much money and vested interest in keeping the status quo. Lets leave a challenge to a Leeds or an Everton with new owners and deep pockets.

We need to concetrate on overturning the ban. We will probably focus on whether Uefa followed their own procedure, our own 'irrefutable' evidence and also if the punishment is justifiable. We will probably throw in how other clubs such as Juventus and Bayern are funded to show our situation is not unique. I think we wont really attack FFP but try and prove we followed it or found justifiable loopholes.
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Never ever should we regard FFP as something favorable to us now that it may be in our best interest to do so. That double standard would undermine the credibility and the very fabric of all that is good about our club. We all know it's a protectionist scam. Look at how many teams have rich owners that would never go broke that can't possibly dream of becoming big clubs because of the ffp structure, and worse still, the fans who have no hope. Ya that's fair alright. It should be fought and not by us alone, agreed, but what puzzles me is why there is not a consortium of football clubs that are challenging this. Publicly at least.
If as you say "I would love a situation where there was genuine fairness in football but its not going to happen." happens to end up being the case with this version of FFP permanently in place I would rather walk away from being a fan than compromise to that. Am I naive? no, hopeful, yes.
 
mikemcfc said:
Never ever should we regard FFP as something favorable to us now that it may be in our best interest to do so. That double standard would undermine the credibility and the very fabric of all that is good about our club. We all know it's a protectionist scam. Look at how many teams have rich owners that would never go broke that can't possibly dream of becoming big clubs because of the ffp structure, and worse still, the fans who have no hope. Ya that's fair alright. It should be fought and not by us alone, agreed, but what puzzles me is why there is not a consortium of football clubs that are challenging this. Publicly at least.
If as you say "I would love a situation where there was genuine fairness in football but its not going to happen." happens to end up being the case with this version of FFP permanently in place I would rather walk away from being a fan than compromise to that. Am I naive? no, hopeful, yes.
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My heart agreed with you, my head says "fuck them". As you rightly say, there should be a group of clubs fighting this but there isn't. Not one word of support. Not one word of criticism of FFP. Pep was recently asked if he had had messages of support and the answer was "no". Backing just our moral position would cost other clubs absolutely nothing but, instead, they, and, judging by Wembley, their fans are laughing at us. Fuck them.

And looking closer to home, the domestic FFP rules should be voted on every year since membership shares change every year but it isn't. And it was only voted through on the one occasion because one club abstained. And that club was fucking Reading. I think I'm right in saying Wigan were all for it too. And, oddly, when United wanted to increase their wage bill, the rules were changed without a murmur of disagreement.

No, fuck them. Each and every one.
 
mikemcfc said:
Never ever should we regard FFP as something favorable to us now that it may be in our best interest to do so. That double standard would undermine the credibility and the very fabric of all that is good about our club. We all know it's a protectionist scam. Look at how many teams have rich owners that would never go broke that can't possibly dream of becoming big clubs because of the ffp structure, and worse still, the fans who have no hope. Ya that's fair alright. It should be fought and not by us alone, agreed, but what puzzles me is why there is not a consortium of football clubs that are challenging this. Publicly at least.
If as you say "I would love a situation where there was genuine fairness in football but its not going to happen." happens to end up being the case with this version of FFP permanently in place I would rather walk away from being a fan than compromise to that. Am I naive? no, hopeful, yes.
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All it takes for evil to prosper is for good men (sorry people) to stand by and do nothing.

I'm with you on this Mike, those people would never get a real chance to experience an "Agueroooooooo moment", and it's through pure greed.
 
Dribble. That is what I have been saying all the time. There is no way that UEFA should be allowed to dictate as to how much money the owner of a club should be allowed to put into a club that he owns. UEFA should be more worried about how the likes of Man. Utd., Barcelona, and Real Madrid, who must owe the banks hundred of thousands of pounds/euro's, yet are continually allowed to play in European comps. Surely this is against all that FFP stands for. Therefore UEFA are breaking their own rules by allowing these clubs to compete, instead of banning them for breach of FFP, or is that these clubs are part of the so called G14 clubs and can do what they like. So therefore UEFA are to scared to touch these clubs, and leave them to do what they like.

It is about time that UEFA scrapped this FFP or go about and do it properly. By that I mean that if a club debts are say £375million and they are playing in a European competition. So the following season they have gone up, it quite clearly that they have no conformed to FFP and should be banned from all European Competitions, until the debt has been brought down. However UEFA will not be doing this because it will mean that the likes of Man. UTD., Barcelona, and Real Madrid, will have to be banned from all European Comps because of their debts, do not conform to FFP rules.
 
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FrankSwift1 said:
I dont think FFP is great, thats not what I said. I also wouldn't object to another club gaining external investment.

I just think there is a lot naivety on this tread that we are going to take on evil UEFA, fight the good fight and finish FFP for good.

Strategically why would would we do this? We have passed the most difficult point of the investment cycle and now have a large enough income to support ourselves and outspend most other teams. Its taken over 10 years to get to this point. You think we are going to spend years in court to undermine our position for no benefit to ourselves?
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At the moment our position is that we are banned from the CL for two years and must pay a fine of 30 million euros. If it's taken ten years to get to this point we'd better get the matter sorted out once and for all because our position seems to have been undermined fairly effectively without twisting these damned regulations into some kind of cuddly protection from other clubs. These regulations are aimed at City primarily and we are not to be allowed prosper.
 
BluessinceHydeRoad said:
At the moment our position is that we are banned from the CL for two years and must pay a fine of 30 million euros. If it's taken ten years to get to this point we'd better get the matter sorted out once and for all because our position seems to have been undermined fairly effectively without twisting these damned regulations into some kind of cuddly protection from other clubs. These regulations are aimed at City primarily and we are not to be allowed prosper.
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And a warning by UEFA/cartel clubs to other would be investors

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tolmie's hairdoo said:
Give it a few more weeks and we are bound to discover who the truly financially stable clubs are.
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TV money supports the PL clubs now and those in Europe at the top table.

Empty stadiums or a few months off football isn't going to do squat mate imo.
 
blueinsa said:
TV money supports the PL clubs now and those in Europe at the top table.

Empty stadiums or a few months off football isn't going to do squat mate imo.
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United take £4m a game in matchday revenue, you sure about that?

Sky aren't going to pay out TV revenue if there is nothing to broadcast.

Same goes for BT and the Champions League.

People need to start realising it isn't about empty stadiums anymore, it is about empty pitches.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
United take £4m a game in matchday revenue, you sure about that?

Sky aren't going to pay out TV revenue if there is nothing to broadcast.

Same goes for BT and the Champions League.
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Fair enough i didnt think it was that much and it will be interesting to see if contractually no football means the tv media can not pay monies owed?

No doubt another court case.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
United take £4m a game in matchday revenue, you sure about that?

Sky aren't going to pay out TV revenue if there is nothing to broadcast.

Same goes for BT and the Champions League.

People need to start realising it isn't about empty stadiums anymore, it is about empty pitches.
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And football doesn't only exist for the elite clubs, the EFL could be decimated after a few weeks without revenue.
 
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