UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[BufordUSABlue]

That can’t be true mate. I mean, it’s not as if Juventus have just won 8 titles in a row, Olympiacos have won 10 out of 11, Munich 8 in a row, PSG 7 in 8, Barca or Madrid 14 out of 15, is it? It’s not as if CL money and clubs monetising everything has skewed football more than anything in history is it?
It’s also not as if the football in those countries is becoming so uncompetitive that the only solution they can see is to take the ‘European League’ no relegation option, that will die within 3 years of it being founded, either.
The CL and FFP has an awful lot to answer for and the fact that they are using to stop city should tell everyone all they need to know..

Excellent sir - I doff my cap accordingly !!

 

[blue oli]

I guess our income will be flat because we don’t sell many sheets and those we do our owner buys - so I assume he’ll continue to buy a few thousand for each game and not attend.

My 9 year old have a duvet set, but you’re right there was no sheets with it

 

[caseball]

I was replying to Prestwitch's analogy about a guy building a shopping centre, if that same owners wanted to buy a Rugby team or start a Formula One team he would face spending restrictions he would face while trying to develop his shopping centre. My point was sport is different to everyday business and I stand over that.

So why are the clubs called plc or ltd co then?

 

[aguero93:20]

My 9 year old have a duvet set, but you’re right there was no sheets with it

9 years is a bit old for sheeting the bed. Or a bit young depending on how you look at it.

 

[meltonblue]

Agreed. One of my sons is involved in the space industry and there is great excitement around space tourism/privat space flights etc. The Americans are trying to unlock private capital by attracting investment from the billionaires of Amazon, Google etc and the Chinese aerospace industry is ploughing literally astronomical sums into research and development. Now, suppose the European Space Agency decides development must be "organic" and the agency must operate within last year's budget supplemented by ticket sales for spectators at launchings and sponsorship of future flights. Who do we think will make it into space first and who will carry the most passengers? Who will establish a regular passenger service first? The ESA will always break even...but which is likely to be sustainable? And which will go bust first?

I wouldn’t publicly use that analogy, thats essentially the argument against allowing unrestricted spending.

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

I was replying to Prestwitch's analogy about a guy building a shopping centre, if that same owners wanted to buy a Rugby team or start a Formula One team he would face spending restrictions he would face while trying to develop his shopping centre. My point was sport is different to everyday business and I stand over that.

If that's your opinion you can stick to it but it's a view the courts have rejected every time they have been called upon to pronounce. In the Bosman case UEFA was told bluntly that contentious matters would be decided according to what the law laid down and not what suited UEFA. The ECJ did accept that football was in some ways a special case but what exactly the nature of that special case was was for the court, not UEFA, to decide. UEFA certainly could not decide a matter of contract law and then apply its own "interpretation" which has UEFA meddling in affairs which are none of its concern and also involved a clear violation of Bosman's human rights. Investment and other commercial income is not a concern of UEFA. If rugby union has a salary cap it is vulnerable to a legal challenge and it is fair to point out that the maximum wage collapsed in English football because the FA knew it would lose in court if it took action against clubs violating it. Commercial enterprises are subject to the law in all but narrowly sporting matters not the interests of their competitors. Such groups to support a salary cap can be seen as cartels.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Fucking lol.

You, and the rest of the G14 ****s, wrote the fucking rules so why would you?

Even presuming City are guilty, which they may not be, the whole system is designed to keep Bayern and Madrid and Barcelona and Utd and Liverpool at the top and stifle the chances of others catching.

They love an Ajax, let them have a half decent season then utter pillage their best players and fuck them back off again.

Anyone who wants to consistently challenge can fuck off.

We’ve seen how morally bankrupt and corrupt those in your boardroom are.

In the end you, Utd, Liverpool, Madrid, Barcelona etc. will be shown as the closed shop corrupt ****s you all are.

Absolutely

 

[caseball]

The rather unfunny irony is that a team competing with rivals that have bigger turnovers can borrow as much as they like to spend on new seats, new stands, tropical plants in a spacious atrium, medical equipment, whatever, but not on players. They could go down in beautiful new surroundings because of the beautiful new surroundings. But who in their right mind is going to do that? Meanwhile, the rivals with bigger turnovers can spunk huge amounts on players and neglect the stadium. The genuinely funny thing is that fans of the first team come on here briefing City fans about the merits of FFP and how we should be more like them. Enjoy the cheese board, there's always NFL and hockey and boxing, concerts, conferences. But it's not a business like other businesses. It's different, coz it's a football club.

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

I wouldn’t publicly use that analogy, thats essentially the argument against allowing unrestricted spending.

Businessmen do not intend to pour money into football clubs indefinitely and Sheikh Mansour never had such an intention. In his open letter to supporters at the time he bought the club he explained that he envisaged a period of investment to enable the club to maintain itself among the leading clubs of Europe from its own resources. This is a world away from unrestricted spending but it is not up to UEFA to tell City how much they can or can't invest. I know of no owner who has expressed the desire and certainly not the intention to spend, spend spend. This includes Abramovitch who seems to have aimed at sustainability by buying young and cheap and selling for much more if they don't get into Chelsea's team. On the whole it has worked and City's own academy seems to apply this method. So unrestricted spending might be some supporters' fantasy and I doubt much could be done in law to prevent it, but in reality it's a non-starter, actually dreamt up by one Michel Platini who claimed (untruthfully as it turned out) that Manchester City can spend £300 million every transfer window if they want but not if they wanted to play in "his" champions league.

 

[caseball]

The early days after the takeover were a PR disaster. The totally unnecessary signing of Robinho, the loudmouth frontman, Garry Cooke's foot in mouth moments..it was all wrong on so many levels and gave the impression of a regime that was willing to spend any amount of money. We're still trying to live those few months down. No excuse though for the attitude of UEFA and the media in the following years.

 

[SilverFox2]

Businessmen do not intend to pour money into football clubs indefinitely and Sheikh Mansour never had such an intention. In his open letter to supporters at the time he bought the club he explained that he envisaged a period of investment to enable the club to maintain itself among the leading clubs of Europe from its own resources. This is a world away from unrestricted spending but it is not up to UEFA to tell City how much they can or can't invest. I know of no owner who has expressed the desire and certainly not the intention to spend, spend spend. This includes Abramovitch who seems to have aimed at sustainability by buying young and cheap and selling for much more if they don't get into Chelsea's team. On the whole it has worked and City's own academy seems to apply this method. So unrestricted spending might be some supporters' fantasy and I doubt much could be done in law to prevent it, but in reality it's a non-starter, actually dreamt up by one Michel Platini who claimed (untruthfully as it turned out) that Manchester City can spend £300 million every transfer window if they want but not if they wanted to play in "his" champions league.

Our main owner invests for a living so UEFA trying to "educate" him into their "special case of the football sector" is frankly laughable. In fact that was the main reason the g14 created their "barrier to entry" disguised as a fair play set of rules because of their fear of his investment capability which would be different to their business plan model.

How right they were.

 

[nmc]

I was replying to Prestwitch's analogy about a guy building a shopping centre, if that same owners wanted to buy a Rugby team or start a Formula One team he would face spending restrictions he would face while trying to develop his shopping centre. My point was sport is different to everyday business and I stand over that.

Okay... agreed but I just think you are missing a fundamental point that many sports have spending restrictions as you say but NO sport has come up with anything as convoluted, complex or obviously protectionist as UEFA. FFP cannot be reconciled with European competition laws in my view.

 

[Rochdale Blue]

The rather unfunny irony is that a team competing with rivals that have bigger turnovers can borrow as much as they like to spend on new seats, new stands, tropical plants in a spacious atrium, medical equipment, whatever, but not on players. They could go down in beautiful new surroundings because of the beautiful new surroundings. But who in their right mind is going to do that? Meanwhile, the rivals with bigger turnovers can spunk huge amounts on players and neglect the stadium. The genuinely funny thing is that fans of the first team come on here briefing City fans about the merits of FFP and how we should be more like them. Enjoy the cheese board, there's always NFL and hockey and boxing, concerts, conferences. But it's not a business like other businesses. It's different, coz it's a football club.

Weren't the rags listed on the NYSE as a media company.

 

[meltonblue]

Businessmen do not intend to pour money into football clubs indefinitely and Sheikh Mansour never had such an intention. In his open letter to supporters at the time he bought the club he explained that he envisaged a period of investment to enable the club to maintain itself among the leading clubs of Europe from its own resources. This is a world away from unrestricted spending but it is not up to UEFA to tell City how much they can or can't invest. I know of no owner who has expressed the desire and certainly not the intention to spend, spend spend. This includes Abramovitch who seems to have aimed at sustainability by buying young and cheap and selling for much more if they don't get into Chelsea's team. On the whole it has worked and City's own academy seems to apply this method. So unrestricted spending might be some supporters' fantasy and I doubt much could be done in law to prevent it, but in reality it's a non-starter, actually dreamt up by one Michel Platini who claimed (untruthfully as it turned out) that Manchester City can spend £300 million every transfer window if they want but not if they wanted to play in "his" champions league.

I agree, that’s a different argument though to
the analogy you were using.

 

[King KdB of Belgium]

Since when has it become Michel Platini's Champions League. I always thought that it was UEFA'S Champions League, I didn't realise that Michel Platini had so much money coming out of his ears. It is time that old coot retired from all football matters. Football has moved on a long way since he last played football. He should keep his big fat nose out of our club business, and keep it in French football. It seems that PSG can do what it likes in breaking the FFP rules, as long a they have a member on the board of UEFA . It is time that both Parry and Gill looked after the interests of all English clubs in European comps, and not their own clubs interests.

One day it will come back and bite both of their own clubs. I just cannot wait for that day to come when both Livarpool and Utd are bought to book under FFP rules.

 

[wattle]

Anybody else heard that the results of the hearing could be put back by around 6 months if the Coronavirus is anywhere near as bad as feared? This could take as long as bloody Brexit at this rate

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

The early days after the takeover were a PR disaster. The totally unnecessary signing of Robinho, the loudmouth frontman, Garry Cooke's foot in mouth moments..it was all wrong on so many levels and gave the impression of a regime that was willing to spend any amount of money. We're still trying to live those few months down. No excuse though for the attitude of UEFA and the media in the following years.

Uefa and the RDAHMeedya don't need an excuse to stick the boot in. We know why they are doing it, we know the REASONS behind it, it's as clear as day!

I did like Robinho, when he had his mind and heart set on winning. The season he formed a partnership with Superman was just a prelude as to what was in store for us!

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Weren't the rags listed on the NYSE as a media company.

Yes they were. And they tried to use out of date accounts in their prospectus.

 

[Dribble]

And apparently the sheik is the only buisness owner on the planet that cannot choose how and when to invest his own money in his own business. I can understand uefa being able to dictate terms as to how their competition is run, but surely they have no right to dictate how individuals or companies choose to invest?

And that is exactly the reason why the time has come to stop fucking around & head straight for the European Court of Justice for a ruling on whether this contravenes their anti-competition laws.

UEFA's rules are just that, but the law, is the law...

 

[bluemanchester]

Since when has it become Michel Platini's Champions League. I always thought that it was UEFA'S Champions League, I didn't realise that Michel Platini had so much money coming out of his ears. It is time that old coot retired from all football matters. Football has moved on a long way since he last played football. He should keep his big fat nose out of our club business, and keep it in French football. It seems that PSG can do what it likes in breaking the FFP rules, as long a they have a member on the board of UEFA . It is time that both Parry and Gill looked after the interests of all English clubs in European comps, and not their own clubs interests.

One day it will come back and bite both of their own clubs. I just cannot wait for that day to come when both Livarpool and Utd are bought to book under FFP rules.

:One day it will come back and bite both of their own clubs. I just cannot wait for that day to come when both Livarpool and Utd are bought to book under FFP rules'
I think you will have a long wait.:).