COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[west didsblue]

Indeed - I have been chatting it through with my wife over lunch and we realise that we have to recognise that once having left we may have to accept an enforced extended stay.

I hope not - but if that was what develops we will be likely glad to be in a location where we have more chance of avoiding infection

Luckily we’ve still got Freedom of Movement within the EU.

 

[Ban-jani]

I'm not quite sue what you mean? I haven't said they 'don't really mean it'. Also, who are 'the left', exactly?

I was highlighting that the Government appear to be taking this very seriously. Which is a good thing. Does that mean I'm not 'left' anymore?

Sorry I misunderstood your post. I thought you were being sarcastic the other way.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Teams could get a by into the next round or tournaments cancelled altogether.

Should just be cancelled. Putting through teams because of another team not being able to make it doesn’t sit right with me.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I see you've stooped to just posting any old tripe.

The raw figures would suggest 40m or 50m people infected in the UK and at current WHO quoted death rates of 3.4% than means 1m+ people dead. That's the worst case. Tell me who has suggested this going to happen? No-one. No-one is talking about the worst case scenario. So your claim is wrong.

You asked me specifically what the death toll in the UK might be and I said 100,000. If "only" 10m catch this and "only" 1% die, that's 100,000. This is much lower than your silly suggestion that people have extrapolated the worst case scenario. Less than 1/10th in fact. I hope we can lower it still, but as you pointed out, 26,000 died one year from regular flu, so 100,000 under the circumstances, might be a decent outcome.

We can all see you are in the Victor Meldrew camp, but based on what exactly, who knows.

Utter nonsense. You quoted two figures 500000 worst case and 100000 best case based on whatever death rate you happen to choose or fits your agenda/post at the time.

26000 was my upper limit and I'm sticking with it.

Not sure what Victor Meldrew has to due with anything. Is that some kind of attempt at an insult ?? Thought you were leaving that to your pal.

Mate the difference between you and me is that I'm an optimist, I look at what's actually happening in situations, ie how many are dying and why, weigh up the likley impact this will have, take the appropriate means at my disposal and get on with life without pannicking as best I can all while while hoping that things will turn out ok as they usually do.

You on the other hand are clearly a pessimist. You ignore anything that puts this virus in some kind of perspective and context, you highlight the worst data and extrapolate away with doom laden predictions, which just arnt substantiated by actual results anywhere else.

This is what the media do to sell papers. It's cheap sensationalist click bait headlines.

To be honest belittling others for just being more positive in their outlook is also pretty tedious stuff.

 

[Mikeegrini]

10% severe medical is higher than normal.

current breakdown ( Dr Campbells videos )

15% needing some medical assistance,
5% critical need.

so if by your number of 22m infected then 3.3m will need help and 1.1m critical.

with Italian 10% critical then yeah 2.2m critical hospital care.

I wàs using 10% as a middle figure based on the head of Milan ICU yesterday stating maybe upto 15% there.

Even at 5% though that's a truly frightening number.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Utter nonsense. You quoted two figures 500000 worst case and 100000 best case based on whatever death rate you happen to choose or fits your agenda/post at the time.

26000 was my upper limit and I'm sticking with it.

Not sure what Victor Meldrew has to due with anything. Is that some kind of attempt at an insult ?? Thought you were leaving that to your pal.

Mate the difference between you and me is that I'm an optimist, I look at what's actually happening in situations, ie how many are dying and why, weigh up the likley impact this will have, take the appropriate means at my disposal and get on with life without pannicking as best I can all while while hoping that things will turn out ok as they usually do.

You on the other hand are clearly a pessimist. You ignore anything that puts this virus in some kind of perspective and context, you highlight the worst data and extrapolate away with doom laden predictions, which just arnt substantiated by actual results anywhere else.

This is what the media do to sell papers. It's cheap sensationalist click bait headlines.

To be honest belittling others for just being more positive in their outlook is also pretty tedious stuff.

And what about the nurses and doctors in Italy describing what the hospitals are like at the minute?

 

[grunge]

I wàs using 10% as a middle figure based on the head of Milan ICU yesterday stating maybe upto 15% there.

Even at 5% though that's a truly frightening number.

yeah very much so!.

 

[BosnianBlue]

Trumptards and their kind see conspiracies everywhere. Unbelievable Jeff.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

And what about the nurses and doctors in Italy describing what the hospitals are like at the minute?

Not disputing that in the slightest. All I'll say is by their nature hospitals will deal with the worst of it, and none of us are set up for something like this.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Sorry but that kind of common sense approach isn't allowed on here anymore. The fact that in the last three months a total of less than 5000 people across the world have sadly died from this virus compared to the 170,000 people who die of cancer every year and 30,000 extra people who will die of normal flu in the UK in a bad winter is to be completely ignored.

You should realise bleinsa that those figures are totally irrelevant as they just make the headlines much less scary than they should be.

You should realise that on this thread we must only look at the worst death rates available in the worst affected area and then extrapolate that worse case multiplier to the entire UK population.

Then to top that off we must also make sure that everyone knows, if they were in any doubt, that the NHS will simply not be able to cope as well as some tin pot health service in some developing country and only 500,000 of us will die. If we are lucky that is!!

We are all doomed I tell you doomed!

Do you know how utterly f*cked we'd be if everyone had your attitude

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

I wàs using 10% as a middle figure based on the head of Milan ICU yesterday stating maybe upto 15% there.

Even at 5% though that's a truly frightening number.

well, the ONS in 2016 had 18% of the population over 65. Out of a population of 65m, that's 11.7 million. So, if we follow the current wisdom on mortality and critical cases based on age, then if you went for 22m infected it's going to be an extraordinary number of cases, but you do need to take into account the age demographic of whose being infected.

 

[cptaidan88]

well, the ONS in 2016 had 18% of the population over 65. Out of a population of 65m, that's 11.7 million. So, if we follow the current wisdom on mortality and critical cases based on age, then if you went for 22m infected it's going to be an extraordinary number of cases, but you do need to take into account the age demographic of whose being infected.

People under 65 are dying too, just at a lower rate.

 

[hello]

"Well I don't see what all the fuss is about and I am just going to carry on as normal".

You missed but I’ll buy every bog roll I can lay my unwashed hands on just in case

 

[BlueHammer85]

And what about the nurses and doctors in Italy describing what the hospitals are like at the minute?

they're just being 'melodramatic'

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

People under 65 are dying too, just at a lower rate.

Yeah, I know. That was the point, that you can't just take 5 or 10% of 22m, it's a nice, simple figure but it depends how it spreads across demographics.

 

[worsleyweb]

Well 111 were a bag of wank. Got a doctor calling me back in the next hour. Coughing and wheezy tight chest now.

Something not right!

 

[dozzie26]

Well 111 were a bag of wank. Got a doctor calling me back in the next hour. Coughing and wheezy tight chest now.

Something not right!

Exact same script as me 2 days ago. I left work with the same symptoms and was passed from pillar to post with 111, contact your GP instead. There is a flu going round, I've been lay on the sofa most of this morning still off work.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Has @karen7 actually tested positive or are people just having a laugh at her expense?

Both.

 

[Chris in London]

My breathing gone heavy through the night and woke up with a tight chest! Can’t take any chances with my asthma. Going to try and get tested today.

And the games off.

you have been warned about sleeping with your coat done up too tight

 

[mexico1970]

Son who's an asthmatic has a tight chest headache and a dry cough was told by a paramedic (Arranged by 111) to self isolate, when he phoned in work (He works for an agency) to explain to them they said he'll not be paid for the 2 weeks and could lose his job if he doesn't turn into work.

His workplace is now in touch with the agency trying to sort something out. Bit of a background is that a lad returned from Italy 5 days ago and people are getting ill at work, this could be the "Normal" flu but without testing nobody is any the wiser, there's a confusion for everyone if my sons case is indicative of the way this infection is being swept under the carpet.