COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[kevin horlocks wand]

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The thread moves quickly so we mods may not see every comment, but we have tried to remove overt political statements/discussion (involving just party politics rather than pure conceptual discussion about how politics may generally impact government response) when we see them.

you police it very well . I am a free speech sucker so I have never reported anyone !!!

 

[urban genie]

I’m not sure it as based on epidemic science as they are making it sound (to delay the social distancing measures). From this press conference, the sole reason for not taking more decisive action yet is that they don’t trust the nation to fulfil the requirements of a lockdown for very long. That’s not at all to do with epidemiology, it’s more to do with behavioural science.

And when have italians been

What do you want then? A total lockdown now?

They’ve just explained why that’s a bad idea.

This is shit for everyone mate and I feel for you but it’s inevitable and the decision is being taken on the best way to help more people get through it and for the country to come out of the other side.

A lockdown similar to Ireland and other wiropean states makes sense.

Schools, major gathering etc closed down, shoppong centres closed but food stores ooen and bars/ cafes but large numbers (more than 100) not allowed.

Seems reasonable

Doing fuck all as this is isn't

Basing it on the british will get bored of a lockdown and just ignore it isn't a good reason.

 

[Nails]

But they dont actually know anything special about epidemiology. Maybe a module or two at medical school 5, 10, 20 years ago.

You might as well as an Macedonian infantryman how Hannibal should have waged his campaigns.

The hospital doctors and nurses on the grounds dont study much epidemiology or know much about pandemics. They dont study models and run simulations.

They can tell you it's horrible on the front, but they dont know more about controlling a global pandemic than the people running the organisations that do.

Stop dissembling. It's epidemiologists from these countries who are calling the UK's stance crazy.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Mild conditions clarified

fever; or
Continuous cough

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Boris will have the very best in this country on this type of thing advising him, so whats to say they wont be right? I know id trust the countries top scientists over anyone on here, despite some clearly thinking they know more.

Fair enough. China have proved so far that going on lockdown beats the virus, but were just going to carry on with our normal day. Forgive me if I’m proving wrong, but I think it’s borderline insane.

 

[worsleyweb]

Bizarrely the 10k infected line is really good news. 10 deaths out of 10,000 cases is a lot better reading that 10 deaths out of the known 590 cases. Of course some of the 10k are unfortunately also going to die, but it's still going to be a better ratio that 1 in 59. Hopefully.

I have been saying this for ages. The death rate will hopefully keep falling. I have been speaking to someone in the NHS today. They have been clearing all beds by completing operations and freeing up space for when it peaks. They are also completing home training courses for nurses to visit you at home if you suspect you have it.

This is clearly a major crisis for the country and the world but i cant as ever criticise Boris. we have to trust him and his advisory team.

We will get through this.

 

[urban genie]

You are so blinded by distrust of a government body that youd rather take advice from an italian nurse with a blog than people who have spent decades tracking and trying to prevent epidemics.

Not read any blogsfrom a nurse Italian or other and I don't distrust government, but I do think this isn't doing enough.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Very somber , saying many more families will lose loved ones before their time.

Christ.

 

[MCFC1993]

Well I have the persistent cough he mentioned but symptoms are fairly mild, they said 7 day isolation but I'm due to see the doctor tonight, I suppose I still need to do that to find out if I've got it?

 

[Saddleworth2]

You’re talking bollocks mate - listen to the experts they’ve hired.

The opposition are doing what you’re doing - point scoring

to be fair, it depends which expert you listen to:
Health expert brands UK's coronavirus response 'pathetic'
Ministers ‘behaving like 19th-century colonialists playing a five-day game of cricket’, says Prof John Ashton

I guess lots of these opposing views come not from politics as you state, but from comparison between the actions taken by South Korea and Hong Kong and to an extent China contrasted with Italy. That has lead to a perception that early, joined up action is the most effective way of flattening the curve and protecting the health service. Nobody knows what is right or wrong at this stage but human nature says early decisive action is good.

 

[urban genie]

But they dont actually know anything special about epidemiology. Maybe a module or two at medical school 5, 10, 20 years ago.

You might as well as an Macedonian infantryman how Hannibal should have waged his campaigns.

The hospital doctors and nurses on the grounds dont study much epidemiology or know much about pandemics. They dont study models and run simulations.

They can tell you it's horrible on the front, but they dont know more about controlling a global pandemic than the people running the organisations that do.

Why do you assume when I see those dealing with it on the ground is the local doctor or nurse, but not the medical experts working on the virus.

You seem to be generalising about me without reading what I have wrote.

This strategy is based on predictive science not what experts from WHO and whqt has already transpired using similar tactics have resulted in

 

[WNRH]

I thought it was a great press conference, backed up with science and plenty of reasoning in a calm manner.

 

[BlueHammer85]

We still not being proactive then.

Oh dear. Maybe it will go away by itself if we ignore it.

You do know you are completely clueless compared to the scientific experts on this ?

 

[SebastianBlue]

Very somber , saying many more families will lose loved ones before their time.

Christ.

I think they are just being transparent, for once, but also trying to manage the public’s expectations so if they do not lose loved ones it is positive outcome.

A much as I might criticise the government’s response thus far, I don’t think that bit was unreasonable — if anything it was a responsible, prudent communication that could help with collective efforts to optimise personal hygiene and hopefully reduce transmission rates to help NHS manage the incoming waves of people seeking assistance (whether they have COVID-19 or not).

 

[Tricky_Trev]

Very somber , saying many more families will lose loved ones before their time.

Christ.

It’s pretty much accepted now that most of the population will get it, with 80% being worst case. Even if 50% get it, we’re talking around 350,000 deaths in this country alone. Unless we go into a full-scale lockdown, with the army on the streets, and slow it down as much as China have. But it sounds like they want most of us to get it so we have herd immunity in the future. The hundreds of thousands of deaths, mostly our elderly parents/grandparents are just an accepted consequence of this to our government.

 

[Eric Wirral]

I thought it was a great press conference, backed up with science and plenty of reasoning in a calm manner.

This exactly

 

[chaddblue]

They said they predict the mortality rate will be 1% or lower. For younger healthy people it will be a lot lower than that and for older vulnerable people it will be a lot higher

However they also predict up to 80% of us will get it and if 1% of those die we’re looking at over 1/2 million people dying !!

 

[Ban-jani]

i just don't agree with it,i know it is difficult to make these decisions,there are many things to consider,if they introduce any measures today it would take days/weeks/never to take full effect,stop people going to matches,large groups of people travelling when they dont have to,that would negate a large risk factor TODAY

People will only agree to follow the quarantine for a period of time, that’s why it’s crucial to do so at the key point.

 

[Indaparkside]

This might get the response it deserves

Because this originated in China
People who have lost loved ones or business closed due directly to this virus, could China be held accountable
for allowing market stalls to sell this bat soup as I’m led to believe that’s where it originated ie not doing enough to protect its own citizens never mind the world.

 

[SebastianBlue]

to be fair, it depends which expert you listen to:
Health expert brands UK's coronavirus response 'pathetic'
Ministers ‘behaving like 19th-century colonialists playing a five-day game of cricket’, says Prof John Ashton

I guess lots of these opposing views come not from politics as you state, but from comparison between the actions taken by South Korea and Hong Kong and to an extent China contrasted with Italy. That has lead to a perception that early, joined up action is the most effective way of flattening the curve and protecting the health service. Nobody knows what is right or wrong at this stage but human nature says early decisive action is good.

I am not sure human nature says that, more the work by humans to fight our nature of only acting to mitigate crisis rather than avoid it all together. :-)