COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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Sky News, 14% of all cases in Spain are health workers.

You worry about our health care workers. Public Health England cynically lowering the specifications... thin plastic aprons, short gloves and dental masks wholly inappropriate and fall well short of WHO recommendations. Promises a plenty from Hancock but Hospitals still reporting that they have no PPE to protect frontline staff.
 
More pics below from places on the tube this morning:

Needs to be a stronger and clearer message at least tonight. All these workers going to essential jobs yet aren't even close to being 2 metres apart.
 


This is what the UK scientists said would happen. 2020 will be a total right off and this will go well into next year too.

Until there’s a vaccine we’ll go round in circles.


This is exactly what everyone is expecting though. Lockdown for 2 months, then every time there seems to be a new outbreak, quickly introduce social distancing to slow the spread and let the track and trace get on top of it. They'll be back to normal in a few days.
 


This is what the UK scientists said would happen. 2020 will be a total right off and this will go well into next year too.

Until there’s a vaccine we’ll go round in circles.

It's returning students. Do you know that by far the biggest element of Singapore's infection comes from the UK. 12.7% of their infections are sourced from the UK.

China is having the same phenomena. The difference is these two countries test everything that moves, whereas we are still learning

See this report re Serbia (https://www.theguardian.com/austral...own-global-deaths-cases-covid19-latest-update)

Serbia’s president has announced a dramatic change of tactic in the fight against coronavirus, after taking the advice of a team Chinese epidemiologists who flew into the country, writes my colleague Shaun Walker in Budapest.

After speaking with the Chinese experts, Aleksandar Vučić said Serbia would move to a regime of mass testing, and would isolate those who tested positive in makeshift facilities, even if they had light symptoms, as lockdown alone will not work. He said he hoped the new strategy would be able to contain coronavirus in the country within a month. Serbia currently has 249 cases, and three confirmed deaths from coronavirus, though until now testing has been minimal.

“We are ready to put up 3,000 beds right away, these are the easiest patients, who will get in and out quickly, but we will see their illness through to the end so that they cannot infect anyone else,” said Vučić. More serious cases will be placed in hospitals. China has provided Serbia with shipments of masks and other medical equipment.

It is another sign that China is positioning itself as a saviour for European countries hit by the coronavirus. When the medical team arrived in Belgrade on Saturday, Vučić met the plane at the airport, and kissed the Chinese flag in gratitude. “Although China hasn’t finished the fight against Coronavirus yet, they say they will help Serbia. The Serbian people will never forget this kindness,” he said.
 


This is what the UK scientists said would happen. 2020 will be a total right off and this will go well into next year too.

Until there’s a vaccine we’ll go round in circles.

No report on the tracking of the new cases yet?
I'd say that's important. Where did the new cases originate from.

Edit: just seen Marvin's response.
 


This is what the UK scientists said would happen. 2020 will be a total right off and this will go well into next year too.

Until there’s a vaccine we’ll go round in circles.


correct that’s why I really struggle with those who say simply lock everything down for 3 or 4 weeks then it will be gone. No it won’t the virus will still be there and in a few weeks time when we all pop out again and we will yo yo through it again Meantime the economy will have gone to absolute shit and then we have years and years of hardship and real austerity for many many millions of people potentially causing more suffering than the virus.

we need to get the balance right I agree we need to flatten the curve to help the initial peak and give the nhs time , but The economy cannot just stop for 6 months and switched back on again.

I think In a few months when we have “turned the tide” as Boris says it will be right you can now start going back to work etc but you must maintain social distancing , hand washing etc.
 
More pics below from places on the tube this morning:

Needs to be a stronger and clearer message at least tonight. All these workers going to essential jobs yet aren't even close to being 2 metres apart.

And think about all the offices and workplaces we don't see.

There is no lockdown. The only sectors locked down are schools,colleges and retail and everyone else seems to be working.

Either a botched job, or a deliberate but flawed strategy. I go with the latter. Govt should follow WHO advice as to what works and what doesn't.

Eventually the epidemic will be stopped but it will get much further than it otherwise would have done.
 
More pics below from places on the tube this morning:

Needs to be a stronger and clearer message at least tonight. All these workers going to essential jobs yet aren't even close to being 2 metres apart.


Let's be honest. What Boris came out with last night was totally necessary and it is what is needed, but it isn't a lock-down.
Unless the government coordinate this with employers, it won't even be adhered to.
It sounded very much like a directive but in fact wasn't.
A lot of the measures are only stuff we have in place over here since 10-12 days ago.
If it is enforced then great. If you do that I can see us following suit over here very soon.
But currently I think we are complying with advice over here better than you are complying with what might be a directive. Who knows?
 
Almost all of them.

He fails to understand that CFR does not take into account the vast majority of cases which are not recorded. His entire point is based on 100% of real cases being recorded cases which we know is not correct. The actual death rate is now pretty much thought to be around 0.7 to 1% which is bad enough without people scaremongering due to lack of understanding.


By "His" points, You mean JAMA's, the Lancet and the WHO's points? 2 of the worlds leading medial journals and the WHO....
 
You worry about our health care workers. Public Health England cynically lowering the specifications... thin plastic aprons, short gloves and dental masks wholly inappropriate and fall well short of WHO recommendations. Promises a plenty from Hancock but Hospitals still reporting that they have no PPE to protect frontline staff.

Really feel for anyone on the front line, can't be much fun going in every day knowing what they will face.
 
This is exactly what everyone is expecting though. Lockdown for 2 months, then every time there seems to be a new outbreak, quickly introduce social distancing to slow the spread and let the track and trace get on top of it. They'll be back to normal in a few days.
Because they are on top of the containment stage.
We are in the Delay stage and not sure if we're managing it as well.
 
correct that’s why I really struggle with those who say simply lock everything down for 3 or 4 weeks then it will be gone. No it won’t the virus will still be there and in a few weeks time when we all pop out again and we will yo yo through it again Meantime the economy will have gone to absolute shit and then we have years and years of hardship and real austerity for many many millions of people potentially causing more suffering than the virus.

we need to get the balance right I agree we need to flatten the curve to help the initial peak and give the nhs time , but The economy cannot just stop for 6 months and switched back on again.

I think In a few months when we have “turned the tide” as Boris says it will be right you can now start going back to work etc but you must maintain social distancing , hand washing etc.
When the peak is passed it will collapse, you've seen the model curves, and the real curves from South Korea and China. Afterwards there will be tests and society will have the resources to do the tests. There'll be vaccine trials too which will have increasing effects. Many healthworkers will have immunity and they'll know it from antibody tests.

Boris seems to be trying to infect the herd. he's either incompetent or he's following a stupid strategy that most scientists have laughed out of the house.
 
And think about all the offices and workplaces we don't see.

There is no lockdown. The only sectors locked down are schools,colleges and retail and everyone else seems to be working.

Either a botched job, or a deliberate but flawed strategy. I go with the latter. Govt should follow WHO advice as to what works and what doesn't.

Eventually the epidemic will be stopped but it will get much further than it otherwise would have done.
To be fair, a lock down was never imposed was it? Sensible advice and requested restrictions were passed out and should be enough. The general problem will be morons who will only do what they are absolutely told rather than have the sense of collective and personal responsibility to do what is right.
As for the tubes, TfL need to put more on, and key workers need to have their shifts staggered out to stop this overcrowding
 
Employers need to take actions that are well within their control and well within the capabilities and willingness to comply, of their employees.
You could lower the number of people travelling to work in the mornings and evenings if employers exercised a staggered working schedule arrangement.
Reduce the number of staff in a building at any one time. You can still keep a place functioning. Reduce the tables and chairs from canteens and encourage staff to stagger breaks.
Not everyone can work from home, but there are sensible ways to reduce risks and enact social distancing.
The only real alternative, and what is probably coming for us all, is a total lock-down, that is properly overseen by law enforcement.
In the Western world this is difficult and costly, but I wonder if in the long run would it be the most economical?

On a different note, I noticed a big shift in the language being used on Irish News reports last night. Because of the fear for mental health, it was being stressed by experts that social distancing is a misnomer. You can and should still stay in contact with people, you can talk to people but should physically distance yourself from them (2 metres).
The manner of how the virus spreads was explained using terminology that has been repeatedly heard in the media.
Aerosol - is the vapour from people coughing and the reason you should maintain a two metre distance.
Droplet - is people sneezing into their tissues etc. Minute droplets of mucous can get on the hands and are then transferred to other surfaces and can be spread that way.
Airborne - is extremely unlikely as it only survives a couple of hours.
Why are the "extremely vulnerable" being told not to leave the house (even for the garden)?
 
Belguims figures still worsening on both fronts unfortunately



Belgium in 'heart of the pandemic', officials say
Jim Brunsden in Brussels
Belgium has said it is living through “the heart of the pandemic” after the number of deaths linked to the virus jumped by close to 40 per cent.
The government’s crisis centre said on Tuesday that the death toll for those who had tested positive for coronavirus had risen by 34 in the past 24 hours to a total of 122. The number may have been pushed up by a lag in when some deaths were reported, the authorities said.
“Unfortunately, the figures we have just seen show us in a very painful way that we are today fully in this emergency situation, in full pandemic,” said a spokesman for the crisis centre.
Urging people to respect lockdown conditions, he said: “We have one chance now to act, because we are in the heart of this pandemic.”
The number of people hospitalised because of the virus rose to 1,859 on Monday, an increase of 256 compared with the previous day, the health ministry said. The rate of new hospitalisations slowed for the third successive day but the number of those going into intensive care — 59 — was higher than recent days.
 
Just been told nurses/ doctors are being assaulted for their id badges even pinching oxygen what a fucking world we live in
 
No report on the tracking of the new cases yet?
I'd say that's important. Where did the new cases originate from.

Edit: just seen Marvin's response.
I can't remember where I read about it but Singapore had traced nearly all their infections and 59 out of about 509 were from the UK.

China has a similar problem. They are getting new cases but it's the same problem we had that triggered our outbreak, imported cases as people are requested to return home.

I don't see this as a long term problem. There is a new wave of testing kits that are coming though which produce a result in 45 minutes. That means you can effectively control the infection much better. That's assuming this stuff does what they think

Some pharmaceutical companies must be making a fortune
 
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