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Has anyone got a copy of the letter sent to the 1.5m most vulnerable?
My 80 year old mother in law is one of them but it’s not easy getting information from her regarding the letter over the phone. Obviously the main thing is to stay indoors for 12 weeks but I would like to read the letter in full.
 
Tricky_Trev said:
I feel like the thread has gone back in time 2 weeks. Flu comparisons are still alive and kicking? If someone has the data for how many seasonal flu deaths there’d be during a national lockdown for much of a 12 month period (or longer), with social distancing in operation then make the comparison. People are stating how many flu kills in normal life with normal, free movement of people and normal, close interactions. It’s so far removed from the world as it is today.
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It's like comparing apples and oranges, the situations are world's apart in the way they're being dealt with, with flu it's crack on as normal, with cv19 we are involved in unprecedented measures such as lock down and its still spreading like wildfire
 
Claytop said:
Gonna get to that point between Christmas & New Year where you struggle to remember what day you’re on.

Today’s Saturday, going to be absolutely no different to previous 5 days for me.
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And cloudy skies mean I've lost one pastime, planespotting with flight radar. One yesterday from Cincinnati to Leipzig - I could see the contrail until it was 60 miles away. Oh, and Airbus were still flying Belugas in and out of Broughton.

Is there enough room on the ground to store all the non-flying long haul planes seeing there's normally at least 10,000 planes in the air at any one time?
 
Marvin said:
You've found a contradiction I agree.

There are different publications quoting wildly different figures for deaths attributed to 'flu epidemics yet both reference PHE.

I think the difference is because most flu‐related deaths are likely not due directly to influenza virus infection but due to secondary bacterial infection or worsening of underlying chronic health conditions, such as chronic heart or lung disease. These are the vulnerable patients we are shielding now.

In a normal 'flu season, these deaths might well get attributed to something else. Covid19 is taking these vulnerable patients out before their time, just like 'flu so I think that's why you can get two different sets of data from the same source quoting wildly different figures.
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Agreed Marvin but at the same time it's irrelevant. It's patently obvious that this is many, many times worse than flu. It's much more infectious and many multiples times as deadly and we have no natural resistance to it whatsoever.

Without these draconian measures it would wreak havoc and mayhem across the whole nation and devastate the NHS. Arguably it is anyway.

Comparing it to unreliable flu figures is not helpful. In fact it's unhelpful if it leads people to not take this as seriously as we all MUST.
 
Claytop said:
Gonna get to that point between Christmas & New Year where you struggle to remember what day you’re on.

Today’s Saturday, going to be absolutely no different to previous 5 days for me.
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Not even looking to see who we should have been playing?

No, me neither.
 
domalino said:
It's literally not open to interpretation. She had a heart attack. that's it.

The person at the morgue heard she had a cough so wrote down coronavirus as a cause. No one in her family reported she had any signs of coronavirus except a mild cough before that. She hadn't been I'll with coronavirus.
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Don't disagree Dom, in a way looking at it from your point of view that the overlap between the certain cause of death between say two illnesses is extremely large yet can be only certain in some situations (you mention one such case).

Do they report death of an elderly person as heart attack brought on by CV or CV brought on by vulnerability to having heart attack.
 
i8rags said:
Had to really think what day it was without checking, Saturday fuck me. Oh and clocks go forward. 5 o’clock is all I’m bothered about, alcohol time.
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8th day of self isolation and I began to lose track of days about 3 days ago ! no structure to life at the minute
 
Vic said:
"We don't know if people dying are dying from coronavirus or something else...."

Then given the number of people dying we had better start getting worried about what the something else is that's killing them! What an idiot.
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He was saying that a lot of the people dying are dying with it, not necessarily purely as a result of it.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Sorry if I didn’t make it clear in my post.

I meant does the test:

1. Show you have it now or have had it and got over it

or

2. You have it now (if you’ve had it and got over it you test negative because you don’t have it now) = live case.
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Hi mate.

The current test only test whether you currently have the virus. It's very long winded and expensive per test, which is why they are limited.

Currently being developed are; more efficient antigen tests, which test for the if you've got the virus now (live case), and antibody tests, which test whether you have had the virus previously.

This is why lockdown is vital now. once we can test, and see the enemy properly, we can isolate those who have it, and feed those who are immune back into general society.
 
Eric Wirral said:
Has anyone got a copy of the letter sent to the 1.5m most vulnerable?
My 80 year old mother in law is one of them but it’s not easy getting information from her regarding the letter over the phone. Obviously the main thing is to stay indoors for 12 weeks but I would like to read the letter in full.
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My wife received a text from UK_GOV advising “New rules in force now: you must stay at home. More info & exemptions at gov.uk/coronavirus Stay at home. Protect the NHS. Save lives.

She has the flu jab each year so think the text was sent instead of a letter - but not certain that’s correct, although her 85 year old Mum got the same text.

I’d send a screen shot but not very good at that sort of thing.
 
Marvin said:
Some perspective for those people who are getting alarmed about the number of deaths.

I report below the number of deaths from 'flu in the UK in recent years. It's of the order of 20,000 a year.

The coronavirus epidemic will take very approximately 2 x cumulative deaths at the peak which is going to be significantly less than 20,000.

I am not sure exactly how the data is compiled but I just wanted to get an order of magnitude comparison. It's just information. You do what you want with it.

Source: Public Health England, surveillance of influenza and other respiratory viruses in the UK Winter 2018 and 2019.

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The fact we've had to take extreme measures to combat this virus makes any comparison to flu redundant. We're getting a lot of cases and deaths, despite a 'lockdown' of sorts.

Add to that, its the hospitalisation as well as mortality rate that make this virus dangerous. It makes enough people unwell, fills our hospital beds and then starts taking out people who may have recovered had there been the right medical treatment.

This virus kills but it also overwhelms and kills.

We also won't see how many die of other conditions due to Covid-19 overwhelming the healthcare system.

Any comparison to flu is ridiculous.
 
jitsubluedan said:
My wife received a text from UK_GOV advising “New rules in force now: you must stay at home. More info & exemptions at gov.uk/coronavirus Stay at home. Protect the NHS. Save lives.

She has the flu jab each year so think the text was sent instead of a letter - but not certain that’s correct, although her 85 year old Mum got the same text.

I’d send a screen shot but not very good at that sort of thing.
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Most people in the country for that text, that is just the general advice warning sent to most phones , that is not the 12 week letter
 
Just been talking to our daughter in New Zealand. They went into complete lockdown at midnight Wednesday after having 200 cases, cases not deaths, they are testing 2000 people a day and hope to double that this weekend, they have more than enough PPE to go around but are still manufacturing more. Note the difference.
 


Genuine question to Americans on here, whats the message like on social distancing over there?

Can't believe that all the 'top people' are shoulder to shoulder in this video.
 
Tricky_Trev said:
I feel like the thread has gone back in time 2 weeks. Flu comparisons are still alive and kicking? If someone has the data for how many seasonal flu deaths there’d be during a national lockdown for much of a 12 month period (or longer), with social distancing in operation then make the comparison. People are stating how many flu kills in normal life with normal, free movement of people and normal, close interactions. It’s so far removed from the world as it is today.
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I know we have shut down countries, but I was trying to reassure myself and other people by providing some background re the deaths, and how it compares to the 'flu. It turns out that it's not so easy to compare because the data we have from a single health authority has veen presented in two different ways. I think my orginal comparison was fair. 'flu epidemics have cost more lives but that's in a normal world and when Covid is done its affect in poor countries maybe worse. We haven't really seen yet what will happen there.
 
If you can work from home and are self isolating for 14 days, are you still expected to work from home or not?
 
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