Democrat US Presidential Nominations

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cjn said:
It's because theres nothing to discuss really. The primary is over, Biden is the nominee, and not a single person is paying attention to anything but coronavirus. What do you want?
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Bigga said:
Well, no the primary isn't "over" and whilst most people are focusing on coronavirus, that's also part of the discussion for Sanders and Biden.

I'm assuming you've bothered to watch how both individuals have handled the discussion in interviews??

One sounds like he knows what he's doing.

One sounds like he doesn't know where he is!!

At least be objective about the handling of a situation where looking out for the working class makes a huge amount of difference to the candidate and how they want action to be done regarding that class. One is, at least, a week behind the other candidate!
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I seem to have kicked ww3 off, all I said was I clicked on the page and there were no new posts.
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
Nothing at all suggests that any of that and in the hugely unlikely scenario that any of that comes to pass then it would be Hillary Clinton surely.
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Yes! It's all speculation on my part. I suppose it could be Hillary. But that would be the first time a losing Candidate is brought back. But we are in strange territory.

I figured it would be someone with significant name recognition. Hillary, Michelle and Oprah are probably the 3 women with enough name recognition outside those in the Political Circles. I sincerely just don't see how Biden makes it to November.
 
Pablo1 said:
Is Krystal Ball a real name?
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Yup. Lol. Sounds like it was made up. She ran for Congress when she was younger but got railroaded for having Halloween pictures in which she was holding a Dildo. Felt bad for her. Would have been a Leftie stallworth.
 
@SWP's back and @Bigga. Stop responding to each other. It's cool. There are and will always exist others you both can chat with.


Let's get back to what the thread is about.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Save this post; you might need to use it over and over :)
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I will acquiesce in the face of facts,but not insinuations, insults, slurs, false accusations or claims of what I am or what my motives may be. Those have no effect on moving my position.
Unfortunately you too often peddle in the latter and get frustrated at those who fail to acquiesce to your position..


That said, your stance as it relates to Biden and his allegations are problematic for me. I honestly can't find any real principle in it.

Perhaps, out of frustration with what you've deemed "the unresponsive to reasoning" (I.e Dax) you've become loose with your reasoning and only care to restate your conclusions. But what you've stated earlier regarding Biden's allegations and what it means is just questionable.

"Trump is the worst," Is not a statement of principle. It's not even a statement of fact. So for anyone to hold it as their guiding light is scary.

Oh he rapes and murders children? Well under normal circumstances I'd say no. But, Trump is the Worst, so child rapist/Murderer it is then.

I mean, seriously? This is deranged reasoning.
 
cjn said:
To be clear, I would vote for Count Dracula over Trump. If this is true and he's still the nominee I would obviously still vote for Biden. I wouldn't feel good about it and would I'd prefer someone else though, as I have throughout this process, but as you say, these are extraordinary times.
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Now this is honest and interesting in so many ways. The bolded speaks to how so many in 2016 came to vote for Trump in the first place.

I can't tell you how many folks I've talked to who voted for Trump and expressed this very sentiment. Personally, I doubt I could ever vote for Trump or Biden. I know "a vote for a 3rd party candidate is a vote for Trump." Trust me I've heard it before.

But I have empathy for those who will in November ( assuming he makes it there) go on to vote for Biden. Some don't have the luxury to stand on principle and that's fine. There were millions of Americans who felt the exact same way in 2016 and voted for Trump as a result. I'm lucky, I'm from a Blue State. Doesn't matter who I vote for. The Democratic Candidate will win my State. So I am free to vote for the best candidate or write one in.

The sooner many here and especially on the Trump thread come understand those people and how they came to be the sooner we all begin to have better options.
 
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Dax777 said:
I will acquiesce in the face of facts,but not insinuations, insults, slurs, false accusations or claims of what I am or what my motives may be. Those have no effect on moving my position.
Unfortunately you too often peddle in the latter and get frustrated at those who fail to acquiesce to your position..


That said, your stance as it relates to Biden and his allegations are problematic for me. I honestly can't find any real principle in it.

Perhaps, out of frustration with what you've deemed "the unresponsive to reasoning" (I.e Dax) you've become loose with your reasoning and only care to restate your conclusions. But what you've stated earlier regarding Biden's allegations and what it means is just questionable.

"Trump is the worst," Is not a statement of principle. It's not even a statement of fact. So for anyone to hold it as their guiding light is scary.

Oh he rapes and murders children? Well under normal circumstances I'd say no. But, Trump is the Worst, so child rapist/Murderer it is then.

I mean, seriously? This is deranged reasoning.
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1. You can’t take a joke. That’s what :) means.
2. I’ve followed Trump’s career for 30 years, know and have spoken at length with people who know and have worked with him. I know more about him than you do. I am stating a fact.
3. “Trump is the worst” is also a statement of fact. I have voted in elections since 1984. He is last on the list of candidates who have run for President I would ever vote for. Therefore, you stand corrected (again).
4. You are welcome to conclude what you like about my principles, as I am welcome to conclude you are a coward who does almost nothing but criticize other posters, candidates, City players, etc. here. You offer little but scorn and have brought almost no joy to these pages.
5. No one knows what your “positions” are. You’ve not described them that I can recall. You have anti-positions.
6. You are welcome to find posts of yours that readers have found funny or interesting, or those that describe your own positive beliefs, or describe something you care deeply about. I expect the list will be short.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
1. You can’t take a joke. That’s what :) means.
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Perhaps. My joke meter is sometimes off. But I do take jokes though. Come on man.
2. I’ve followed Trump’s career for 30 years, know and have spoken at length with people who know and have worked with him. I know more about him than you do. I am stating a fact.
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This is interesting. In that it requires we all accept "Dear Leader's" claim. The dear leader here being you. "I know more about him than you. He is the worst human." You have no choice but to believe me. :)
3. “Trump is the worst” is also a statement of fact. I have voted in elections since 1984. He is last on the list of candidates who have run for President I would ever vote for. Therefore, you stand corrected (again).
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I guess we differ in that respect. You rank order your candidates and vote for whoever is the least worst from the available. I on the other hand just have buckets. 1. Would vote for and 2. Would not vote for. Your ranking don't matter if you are I'm the 2nd bucket. You are NOT getting my vote.

Well that's a positive positiion about me ( to preview your later point :p )

4. You are welcome to conclude what you like about my principles, as I am welcome to conclude you are a coward who does almost nothing but criticize other posters, candidates, City players, etc. here. You offer little but scorn and have brought almost no joy to these pages.
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Wow! This is unfair. I seldom criticize City players. I defend them almost exclusively. And in so far as I ever criticize a City player is often done as a comparative or contrast defense of another player. As for Candidates, I thought criticism of their positions was fair game? No. Why am I barred from .participating? And as for other posters, I criticize positions they hold I deem incorrect. I almost never criticize the person or make unsubstantiated claims about their character.

5. No one knows what your “positions” are. You’ve not described them that I can recall. You have anti-positions.
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Now, here you might have finally said something that may be true to some extent. But I have severally stated my position only for you or one of the "like" nation members to claim it's a lie. So what's the point? But at least you are right on this note, I don't state a position as often as most. Often that's coz I'm trying to tease one out by trying to understand all the facts without the emotional coercion.
6. You are welcome to find posts of yours that readers have found funny or interesting, or those that describe your own positive beliefs, or describe something you care deeply about. I expect the list will be short.
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I'm not a very funny guy. So readers would seldom find my post funny. At least not intentionally so. But "interesting?" My post certainly can be that.

My last post to Cjn described a positive positiion. I do that all the time.

This post too is riddled with Positive positions. But you will miss it if you are hell bent on believing your bias about me. I can't help that.


P.s: My next post will be a joke. :P
 
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