Most people shouldn't be in a care home and definitely not any home when they die. If anyone falls suddenly ill with corona like symptoms there would be medical intervention and I would expect them to be sent straight to hospital where if they do die they would be tested and included. So it’s only my opinion there would be very few not in the death figures, there hasn’t as far as I know been any reports of it happening.Nope, I was watching the same interview on Sky, and they wanted to make the point that the 180 that have died are hospital deaths, not people who may have died in a care home or at home with coronavirus.
Even in their tweets they seem to be making it clear it's hospitalised deaths, which begs the question are there any that aren't making it to hospital?
You'd hope not.
Impossible to judge anything on the new cases either as it's similar to other days but you have to put that down to limited testing.
Hypothetical question - If you have had cv19 and been given a clearance certificate would you feel more comfortable to socialise with non certificate holders (assuming quarantine is lifted) ?
Just curious in the general mindset on this.
Even in their tweets they seem to be making it clear it's hospitalised deaths, which begs the question are there any that aren't making it to hospital?
You'd hope not.
Impossible to judge anything on the new cases either as they just aren't testing enough.
Of course they were aware, no-one is disputing that. But there are 66m people in this country and the chances of someone here having had it at Christmas are remote in the extreme. Like losing an old lottery ticket you never checked and convincing yourself that it was the jackpot winning ticket - it wasn't.
Not least when there was a bloody awful flu strain kicking around at the time - I had it myself.
You are conflating the issue now.
Are you saying deaths are not being counted if they are outside of a hospital is your opinion or is it being reported as such?
Most people shouldn't be in a care home and definitely not any home when they die. If anyone falls suddenly ill with corona like symptoms there would be medical intervention and I would expect them to be sent straight to hospital where if they do die they would be tested and included. So it’s only my opinion there would be very few not in the death figures, there hasn’t as far as I know been any reports of it happening.
So do you believe they are deliberately missing out deaths in care homes are being ignored?
Hypothetical question - If you have had cv19 and been given a clearance certificate would you feel more comfortable to socialise with non certificate holders (assuming quarantine is lifted) ?
Just curious in the general mindset on this.
There are bound to be loads who are not making it to hospital because the families concerned have previously agreed with the care home the no further treatment should be administered in the case of their loved one who is terminally ill anyway. People die like this, sadly, in droves, every day.
Thank you for a straightforward response that doesn’t try to make out there are thousands dying around the country that we are covering up.It may only be the odd couple mate. I'm just telling you what the conversation was on Sky. They just wanted to make a point of it being only Hospital deaths that count.
That's just plain silly. No care home in the country would agree to that. It's clearly against the law.There are bound to be loads who are not making it to hospital because the families concerned have previously agreed with the care home the no further treatment should be administered in the case of their loved one who is terminally ill anyway. People die like this, sadly, in droves, every day.
Even in their tweets they seem to be making it clear it's hospitalised deaths, which begs the question are there any that aren't making it to hospital?
You'd hope not.
Impossible to judge anything on the new cases either as it's similar to other days but you have to put that down to limited testing.
There certainly were in Spain
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/hea...navirus-infection-nursing-homes-a4396456.html
They’re deliberately missing out all deaths that aren’t in hospitals due to time lag and the way in which non hospital deaths are administrated.So do you believe they are deliberately missing out deaths in care homes are being ignored?
Wow,,,,whats up with peopleJust on the news that paramedics and other emergency services are being spat at and assaulted. Wtf is the matter with people. They don't deserve to be looked after.
The ONS are releasing the figures of people who have died in the community tomorrow,the figures we get daily are just those who made it to hospital and have died of confirmed covid infection,they are clear every day it is hospital figures
Of course there will be deaths not confirmed as corona in the community,in those like i have suggested,because we have not been testing we will never know the true figures IMO
Or last 5 year average to get a clearer pictureNo we won't but would be interesting to compare those dying of respiratory related conditions to those last year. That may give us a better picture.
My umbrage is neither with the figures or the way they are recorded, they make eminent sense to me.They’re deliberately missing out all deaths that aren’t in hospitals due to time lag and the way in which non hospital deaths are administrated.
A non hospital death takes several days to be officially registered as it requires two separate doctors to view the body and check the notes before signing a death certificate.
Not why you’re taking umbrage with this.