COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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grunge said:
Am I the only one a little concerned how the press are reporting the fact the deaths have not been as high for a couple of days, where this is "a glimer of hope" etc. getting peoples hopes up and will probably get people thinking its not that bad and can go out etc.

As the Lancet reported the other day, based on the fact it takes 2-8 weeks to die from this. the fatalities we are seeing now were just registered as cases 2 weeks ago. to that note in 2 weeks we will be seeing the fatalities from today..... 2 weeks ago we were at 1.5k known cases. today we are at 22k.
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Measures have gradually ramped up over the last 3 weeks.
People started to work from home 3 weeks ago - numbers ramping up since
7 day isolation on symptoms 3 weeks ago.
14 day all family isolation from 2 weeks ago.
Some social distancing measures brought in 2 weeks ago.
Etc.
 
MCFC1993 said:
Almost a given.

Would also be interesting to see those that die of respiratory conditions, as it's a given that some will be diagnosed as dying of Pneumonia when it's almost certainly Covid-19.
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For sure. ...Of those that get diagnosed of anything at all. I don't know how the medical system works, but when doctors sign death certificates, I am wondering if half the time they have no clue why someone died at all? If they are 23, then yes of course you expect some kind of post mortem. But if someone is 87? I don't know.
 
squirtyflower said:
You are conflating the issue now.

Are you saying deaths are not being counted if they are outside of a hospital is your opinion or is it being reported as such?
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Coronavirus deaths outside hospital have been counted - just not on the published daily statistics.
Hospital trusts have also messed up death statistics. The hospital reporting stuff was fixed last Tuesday.
The ONS will catch up on non hospital deaths every week. It won't make much difference to the statistics - The most important thing being the rate of change over a 3 or 4 day period.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Big picture Karen. If there were a significant number of un attributed deaths they would show up in the total death figures.
Despite the 24/7 gloom it would appear that fewer people are dying this year than the average of the last 5 years in the same period. Fretting about who is or isn't counted in each column is pointless when the end result is an overall lowering of death rate. We should be fucking cheering.
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You are giving me stats that don't have anything to do with COVID,it is winter there are going to be respiritory deaths,it has been a very mild winter which impacts the general figures,what you are not showing me is deaths not included in the daily briefing because they are not hospital deaths,you have gone off piste,there will not be unattributed deaths,everyone has a death certificate,whether it is covid or another respiritory death is the question
anyway i am feeling uncomfortable with arguing over deaths
at the end of the day we will get a better picture but imo never the true picture,i wouldn't expect than a pandemic would ever give you true figures
 
Ardwick Green Blue said:
It will be interesting to see how Sweden fares compared to the UK as things progress. They seem to be going for hardly any mitigation but the herd immunity approach. If they are right the economic damage will be far less but if they are wrong then they will be seeing huge numbers of deaths.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...e-sweden-coronavirus-stoicism-lockdown-europe
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They're doing everything the UK was doing 2.5 weeks ago + a relaxed lock down of those at risk.
We shall soon see what the bigger restrictions in the UK do to the figures.
 
karen7 said:
As i have said,sky just said the figures we are getting is hospital deaths,they have only been testing those in hospital with it and those who present having been in contact with or coming back from italy or china

even nhs staff have not been tested till now
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Tbh your a bit of a nob if your not in hospital. As for care homes bet the numbers are small
 
Ardwick Green Blue said:
It will be interesting to see how Sweden fares compared to the UK as things progress. They seem to be going for hardly any mitigation but the herd immunity approach. If they are right the economic damage will be far less but if they are wrong then they will be seeing huge numbers of deaths.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...e-sweden-coronavirus-stoicism-lockdown-europe
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It'll be interesting but difficult to compare because the UK is one of the most densely populated countries in Europe compared to Sweden being one of the least populated.

Let's hope the Swedish Gov't have a huge surplus of ventilators and PPE in case the plan goes wrong.
 
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