COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[inchy14]

I know this may come across as a stupid question but here goes

If this virus affects those with the weaker immune system so those with stronger fitter systems are able to fight it off, how come so many young doctors and nurses on the front line are dying with it? Are those on the front line getting a stronger strain? Are there more lethal strains that only those getting admitted to hospital have contracted which is then passed onto front line staff and causing death?

Just seems to me that there’s no reason for them to be dying unless the strain gets worse for want of a better phrase.

 

[inchy14]

Luxury carmaker Jaguar Land Rover to make visors

Jaguar Land Rover has announced it will turn over its prototype build operations to make protective visors - approved by the NHS - for frontline healthcare workers


Hancock: Premier League footballers should take a pay cut to help the NHS

The health secretary said: "Make a contribution, take a pay cut, play your part.

Why does everyone to expect footballers to solve society problems,why isn't anyone asking actors who get millions for films to contribute,or the company directors/bankers who are mega rich not to mention all the millionares in government

Because a lot of the back room staff have been laid off so in theory the players could be finding these staff.

 

[RayCTID]

Apologies if this has been posted previously, however I was sent this video by my bro in law who lives and works in the U.S., he works for a large corporation who will be doing a lot of the building of the various new temporary hospitals and medical facilities. Anyway, it’s a video that their “COVID team” have been using as a backdrop to all their various discussions, it’s done by a top doctor at a hospital in NY, he cuts out the bullshit and pretty much explains the situation from the front line. It’s a long watch at nearly an hour so can be dipped in and out of but it certainly cut through some of the scaremongering for me.

edit...the link is safe, it just takes you to Vimeo.

Great find. Very informative

 

[SWP's back]

I know this may come across as a stupid question but here goes

If this virus affects those with the weaker immune system so those with stronger fitter systems are able to fight it off, how come so many young doctors and nurses on the front line are dying with it? Are those on the front line getting a stronger strain? Are there more lethal strains that only those getting admitted to hospital have contracted which is then passed onto front line staff and causing death?

Just seems to me that there’s no reason for them to be dying unless the strain gets worse for want of a better phrase.

Viral load mate. They’re sadly getting such a high dose of it that it overwhelms their immune system.

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-questions-about-covid-19-and-viral-load/

 

[inchy14]

Viral load mate. They’re sadly getting such a high dose of it that it overwhelms their immune system.

Thanks mate, makes sense.

 

[kippax4ever]

I know this may come across as a stupid question but here goes

If this virus affects those with the weaker immune system so those with stronger fitter systems are able to fight it off, how come so many young doctors and nurses on the front line are dying with it? Are those on the front line getting a stronger strain? Are there more lethal strains that only those getting admitted to hospital have contracted which is then passed onto front line staff and causing death?

Just seems to me that there’s no reason for them to be dying unless the strain gets worse for want of a better phrase.

I would guess they are run down,stress long shifts I no my ex is doing 14hrs not enough sleep food,your immune system not as strong.

 

[SWP's back]

Thanks mate, makes sense.

I edited and put a link which goes into greater detail.

 

[kaz7]

I know this may come across as a stupid question but here goes

If this virus affects those with the weaker immune system so those with stronger fitter systems are able to fight it off, how come so many young doctors and nurses on the front line are dying with it? Are those on the front line getting a stronger strain? Are there more lethal strains that only those getting admitted to hospital have contracted which is then passed onto front line staff and causing death?

Just seems to me that there’s no reason for them to be dying unless the strain gets worse for want of a better phrase.

It is about viral load,when you are that at close then if you catch it you get more of it if you see what i mean,the stories from the front line are very concerning,staff are breaking down all over the place with the enormity of the workload and the deaths,some will be getting run down,also they just people who will have health conditions of their own

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...-and-why-does-it-matter-for-covid-19-11963393

 

[SilverFox2]

NHS and PHE bureaucracy is the main cause.
It is mind numbingly dreadful and demands statistical perfection. Not good if you're fighting a war.
The government should have deployed military observers to all layers of this bureaucracy to identify what was being done where and when and to identify where bottle necks are, so senior government officials could make tactical and strategic tweaks to improve things
Big fucking mistake. Probably the only really big one that has been made.

It would have helped if the NHS could embrace an integrated computer system to identify its constraints.

 

[Coatigan]

In Scotland, a total of 126 patients have died after testing positive for coronavirus - up by 50 from 76 on Wednesday

From the Department of Health and Social Care:

As of 9am 2 April, a total of 163,194 people have been tested of which 33,718 tested positive.

As of 5pm on 1 April, of those hospitalised in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus, 2,921 have sadly died.

10,657 tests were carried out yesterday in England.



Testing capacity for inpatient care in England currently stands at 12,799 tests per day.

Reports claim that 40 of the 50 are accumulated belated figures of autopsy testing on non hospitalized deaths over the last period (not seen over how long). Still 126 overall, but at least the jump isnt as sharp over 24 hours as it sounds.

 

[kaz7]

Because a lot of the back room staff have been laid off so in theory the players could be finding these staff.

I don't have a problem with footballers helping out but twice today i have heard about how footballers are not helping out but nothing about any other rich people being asked to help out

 

[inchy14]

I don't have a problem with footballers helping out but twice today i have heard about how footballers are not helping out but nothing about any other rich people being asked to help out

It’s probably due to the fact the premier league haven’t cancelled and is still being discussed. See Gundogan has done stuff in Germany today.

 

[cleavers]

My understanding that it can stay on surfaces for quite some time.
It can linger in the air, but if you are outside it would soon drop to the floor.

Or anything else it lands on, so don't go leaning on any railings admiring the view, or sitting on park benches, as you could pick it up and take it into your home, risks are obviously small, be careful opening mail too, make sure you wash your hands minimum before doing anything else.

 

[kaz7]

Reports claim that 40 of the 50 are accumulated belated figures of autopsy testing on non hospitalized deaths over the last period (not seen over how long). Still 126 overall, but at least the jump isnt as sharp over 24 hours as it sounds.

About 40 i think,they are seperate figures and have a huge lag in reporting,they have just changed the way they report the deaths,different time frame. etc and wales,scotland and england report their own figures seperately


Jesus i didn't think a month ago any of us would be talking about death figures and testing the nation for a killer virus :(

 

[inchy14]

Anyone else managed to work out the bloody nhs volunteer app? Downloaded it after getting accepted but can’t work out how it works.

 

[kaz7]

It’s probably due to the fact the premier league haven’t cancelled and is still being discussed. See Gundogan has done stuff in Germany today.

Yep,sane has given €500,000 to germany,bernie has been doing his v bit and pep of course,vinny is helping his club,i expect a lot more has been going under the radar,i just don't why whenever something happens it seems to fall to football to solve it,what about everyone else in this country who are worth a fortune

 

[Cheer Up Peter Reid]

Yep,sane has given €500,000 to germany,bernie has been doing his v bit and pep of course,vinny is helping his club,i expect a lot more has been going under the radar,i just don't why whenever something happens it seems to fall to football to solve it,what about everyone else in this country who are worth a fortune

Meanwhile Richard Branson is apparently asking the government to bail out his airline.

 

[Coatigan]

Just had a call off my contracts manager at work.
He says they are looking to bring me back in on the 14th of april.
1. If I said no thanks I would rather be off on 80% can they then say I'm not entitled to the 80% as there is now work available.
2. I dont really see the point in been off atall if we are then going to go back to work when the situation will be worse than it was last week.

But as I've said before I'm lucky to still have a job and to be honest if it can be done safely I'd love to go back as I'm bored out of my mind

Not aimed at you specifically, but imho, if there is work to be done, and it can be done from home/observing social distancing guidance, then people should be doing it, and more importantly employers should be paying it.

the financial offset package is intended to help businesses that genuinely can't operate, such as the hospitality sector, parts of retail etc. But many other industries/businesses seem happy to put work on hold, let the government cover the expenses, and will expect employees to catch up on the work or those being kept on working to cover it. To me, this 'nothing to lose' attitude is as bad as those ignoring the recommended measures, in the long run, for everyone, including the nhs.

 

[kaz7]

Meanwhile Richard Branson is apparently asking the government to bail out his airline.

He can fuck off !

 

[goatersnipple]

Not aimed at you specifically, but imho, if there is work to be done, and it can be done from home/observing social distancing guidance, then people should be doing it, and more importantly employers should be paying it.

the financial offset package is intended to help businesses that genuinely can't operate, such as the hospitality sector, parts of retail etc. But many other industries/businesses seem happy to put work on hold, let the government cover the expenses, and will expect employees to catch up on the work or those being kept on working to cover it. To me, this 'nothing to lose' attitude is as bad as those ignoring the recommended measures, in the long run, for everyone, including the nhs.

Totally agree with you..
Obviously I cant work from home .
I would much rather go to work than sit at home.
Trouble is the firm I work for still dont think its serious and there is no chance of getting it