Player Pay Cuts during Crisis

WNRH said:
Whilst i agree with him, has his wage cut gone to help lower league and non-league clubs? He will be on the same amount as some Premier League players. Can't always look to the premier league, the whole pyramid has to come together.
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Yes agreed, but the money involved at PL level is so much higher that it would make the most effect. Championship clubs are also typically over stressed due to player contracts so at a local level those players should be doing the same.

It starts to get a bit tricky when you look at journeymen playing at the lower end of the Championship and below, those guys are are typically on decent money but not at the level where you'd expect them to be financially secure for life (which should be the case at PL level), unless they piss it away on booze and horses of course....
 
If a player makes say £200K a week, then that is split between the player and the government as follows, give or take a bit of rounding:
Cost to employer £228K - add Employers NI at 13.8%
Players take - £106K. They may or may not do something useful with it. Or crash another Lambo.
Government take - 45% tax on the £200 plus 2% NI plus 13.8% Eers NI = £122k. Pays for a doctor for a year, or a few nurses. Each player, each week.
Alternatively, leave it with the club owners.
At the moment, I think the government needs the money more.

(not that they are thinking about it that way....)
 
give it to gordon said:
Is there anything to stop clubs putting the players on furlong and us tax payers pay them 80% ?
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Well it's only up to £2500 per month but the process relies on the employee agreeing to furlough. If the employee doesn't, the company has 2 options - continue to pay full wages as per contract or give them a 30 day redundancy notice. I can't see many clubs wanting to risk players leaving in those circumstances
 
bewildered said:
Yes agreed, but the money involved at PL level is so much higher that it would make the most effect. Championship clubs are also typically over stressed due to player contracts so at a local level those players should be doing the same.

It starts to get a bit tricky when you look at journeymen playing at the lower end of the Championship and below, those guys are are typically on decent money but not at the level where you'd expect them to be financially secure for life (which should be the case at PL level), unless they piss it away on booze and horses of course....
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Without a doubt it is, but the same scenario does filter down. There are players on 20k+ in the Championship, 10K in League One, 5k in League Two right down to £500 in Conference North. Wage cuts from all could help the whole of the pyramid. I can no longer stand the Premier League and all the greed that has come to light in this situation for all to see but i'm not comfortable of people on good money telling those above him to take a wage cut to help him and his club out, he should take a wage cut for the same reason rather than self serving his club.
 
WNRH said:
Whilst i agree with him, has his wage cut gone to help lower league and non-league clubs? He will be on the same amount as some Premier League players. Can't always look to the premier league, the whole pyramid has to come together.
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I'd imagine (without actually knowing) that that money will be going to help staff at his own club, wouldn't it?
 
jimharri said:
I'd imagine (without actually knowing) that that money will be going to help staff at his own club, wouldn't it?
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You would hope so but how the football world has shown itself recently i wouldn't be surprised if it hadn't.
 
The owners and people in power at the Premier League clubs who are using a government funded scheme to pay the wages of employees, most of which will be casual staff on probably £50 a game, should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. I hope the likes of Levy and Ashley are hauled before a panel and asked to explain this.

The players Union have been way too slow to get this agreed and our clubs are being shamed by those in Spain currently.

I don’t know how players can sit by and watch all this happening. I am sure they will all agree a pay cut at some point but it has been a long time coming.
 
bewildered said:
The contracts will all have force majeure clauses so are unlikely to stand up in the current circumstances, you make a very good point about the perfromance related aspects. I suspect that not all clubs will have such well structured contracts (maybe a reason why some players have not come to us in recent times).
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But any such clause won’t allow one party to unilaterally change the terms of the contract.
 
karen7 said:
Give them a chance,the PFA is teling them to wait on wages,they are donating money on their own,the club are paying the matchday staff for the rest of the season,wait and see what else happens,there are plenty of mega rich people who are not being asked to pay up including the cabinet and other millionare mp's

Players also have cast iron contracts,oues are performance related heavy so they will be losing a lot of money by not playing
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This is not strictly true. They are probably paying the contract companies, but they are not paying their staff. A work colleague's daughter who works for the company who run the catering is not being paid.
 
bewildered said:
@karen7 Well I'd expect nothing from the PFA tbh, I'm really uncomfortable with the idea that the Gov & ultimately us as taxpayers will pick up the bill for workers either supported in jobs or who have lost jobs due to this. In the PL player wages are 50-78% of turnover. Its a crazy percentage and football is unique in that characteristic.
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I am not happy at the three clubs who are going the furlogh route,clubs have plenty of money to sort this out themselves,typical of the PFA to wake up at the sound of money but not to support raz from racist abuse
 
karen7 said:
I am not happy at the three clubs who are going the furlogh route,clubs have plenty of money to sort this out themselves,typical of the PFA to wake up at the sound of money but not to support raz from racist abuse
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Yep, its a disgrace, lets hope people remember some of this when things recover. The PFA is a joke organisation, has been for years.
 
Maybe I'm in a minority here, but I don't see why the players who are contracted to the club should take it on themselves to take a pay cut, that's why they have contracts, its just like any other line of work.
 
prestonibbo_mcfc said:
This is not strictly true. They are probably paying the contract companies, but they are not paying their staff. A work colleague's daughter who works for the company who run the catering is not being paid.
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This is exactly the sort of murky water that will emerge unfortunately. A PL football club SHOULD be able to take all staff and subcontract workers onto the books for the duration of the crisis, this would easily be paid for by offestting players wages. There should be no need for job losses or Gov bale outs within the entire professional pyramid.
 
I have a feeling that football as a whole will be tarnished some what after all this. Especially us City fans, weve been fucked by UEFA not backed up by the FA, fucked over by the top 10 in the prem. Then football as a whole has been put into perspective by this horrible covid 19 situation. Everything is starting tontake its toll on me.
 
DontLookBackInAnger said:
Maybe I'm in a minority here, but I don't see why the players who are contracted to the club should take it on themselves to take a pay cut, that's why they have contracts, its just like any other line of work.
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I think its simple mate, they (and some others can afford it with no effect on their lifestyles) pretty much no-one else can. Contracts mean nothing at a time like this. No job is safe, not mine or yours. At the moment just theirs and that can't be right.
 
It is a shame it has taken this global catastrophe to shake the publics collective apathetic mindset held about players and the obscene amounts they earn. That goes for twats like Gordon Taylor the bent greedy sack of shit to and shitbags like Riaola who do sod all in the grand scheme of things. It has been a source of constant displeasure of mine seeing the vast amounts of cash in the game go to a very limited few.

I always think how good would public fitness areas be if half the cash in football was put directly back into the community. Public pools closing and such. They should be free to have grand ideas of expanding and getting people involved in activities not worried if they can pay the pool heating costs for the week. It has always pissed me off with no abatement.

Hundreds of thousands of pounds a week is inexcusable imo no matter how you cut it. If everyone on earth had a good standard or living then fair enough but that is not reality sadly. The argument that they bring in much more is moot. The excess could build a hospital or a health club etc for all to enjoy. I am proud City are one of the better clubs for this.

Bankers etc, the argument they generate wealth, well why the hell are there food banks then? it is utter poppycock and anyone defending it should have a less myopic view. Wealth is not distrubuted evenly enough.

Well if we don't pay them x they will go to y company. Then ban y company from offering over a certain amount, flout the rules, jail the boss shut the company down. Algorithms and AI could run stocks and shares now anyway with few areas that need the nuance of human interaction. No one needs a million quid bonus for shuffling cash about in the markets.

If a company saw its arse and said right ill move out the country, fine but we will make sure every person on earth knows you and your decisions here and will will lobby hard so nobody does business with you. You just watch how many CEO's are willing to take on that fight, very few i bet.

There in lies the core of the issue, it would take a huge effort collectively by everyone to adjust capitalism to keep wealth distributed a but wider. The machine of capitalism is hard to stop. Possibly inevitable due to human nature?

I don't feel players should have to take a cut etc i just don't think we should have come to this point in the first place.
 
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bewildered said:
I think its simple mate, they (and some others can afford it with no effect on their lifestyles) pretty much no-one else can. Contracts mean nothing at a time like this. No job is safe, not mine or yours. At the moment just theirs and that can't be right.
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I don't know about your line of work, but in mine I'm not a dodgy tackle from losing my career every time I go to work(I'm not saying footballers have a hard life my point is every role has instability thats just life), as soon as we say contracts mean nothing then as a society we are fucked. That's not to say I don't think footballers perhaps should use their wealth in times like these proactively, but it's their money
 
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