COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[SilverFox2]

Big fuck off fry up for me today. The whole works.
A traditional Spanish dish if ever there was one.

Thanks all for indicating that even lockdown for CV cannot stop us having BBQs etc even if we only have ourselves to enjoy the burnt sausages and red wine.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

professor Graham Medley the governments Chief pandemic modeling advisor wants herd immunity to be back on the menu for a next phase option soon. I and others have asked this question before which I know is very difficult - but what happens next for phase 2? Most important question going for some time surely.

What are your trigger points for loosening the lockdown?

Infection rates? Mortalities? Antibody test availability ? Public frustration with quarantine? Availability of anti virals? Sufficient icu capacity equipment/staff? Unemployment rates?

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Hope not
It's done next to fuckall but rain since lockdown not seen weather like it since we moved out thirteen years ago

don’t mind the rain at all whilst being stuck in - worrying thing though is the mrs has picked up a shed load of board games from the post office yesterday - please someone find a vaccine quickly.

 

[Vic]

Thanks all for indicating that even lockdown for CV cannot stop us having BBQs etc even if we only have ourselves to enjoy the burnt sausages and red wine.

It's just a cover for burning all the soiled bits of newspaper rather than flush them.

(It's going to be one of those derail the thread days, isn't it?)

 

[SilverFox2]

Valencia paella today. I should make a video for bluemooners!

Our neck of the woods different than the Valencia version and I have no idea how to make one because our friend Diego usually makes a massive charity one which must be 2 metres in diameter.

 

[SilverFox2]

It's just a cover for burning all the soiled bits of newspaper rather than flush them.

(It's going to be one of those derail the thread days, isn't it?)

I think indicating that BBQs can be enjoyed in isolation is helpful to discouraging the temptation to share one.

There again I take your point.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

I think indicating that BBQs can be enjoyed in isolation is helpful to discouraging the temptation to share one.

There again I take your point.

I agree but the potential for trips to A&E becomes heightened especially with the disposable types.
I'd imagine on any given summer weekend BBQs substantially increase demand on units.
It's everyone's responsibility to reduce as much risk to there health as possible, at this time.
Anyway. Everyone enjoy the weather and don't put yourselves in harms way.

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

I've been reading an article in the Telegraph about the approach in Sweden compared to more or less every other European country (no point in linking it as you need a subscription). The Swedes think the number requiring intensive care will be extremely low and they will be giving out numbers of people who have died BECAUSE of Covid-19 & not just those who have died who have it. This is a crucial distinction as seemingly around 70% of the deaths of people who had Covid-19 in the UK would have happened anyway with the other conditions they already had.

As the mortality rate seems very low & a high proportion of those deaths would have happened anyway then the herd immunity approach coupled with a higher level of testing is definitely a way out of the lockdown in my view.

 

[mexico1970]

As the mortality rate seems very low & a high proportion of those deaths would have happened anyway

There is that much conflicting opinions from top scientists and different governments I for one don't know what to believe bud, the opinion that they would have died anyway seems a bit of a stretch, sounds more like a way they could bury (Pun intended) the numbers of deaths in their country.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I've been reading an article in the Telegraph about the approach in Sweden compared to more or less every other European country (no point in linking it as you need a subscription). The Swedes think the number requiring intensive care will be extremely low and they will be giving out numbers of people who have died BECAUSE of Covid-19 & not just those who have died who have it. This is a crucial distinction as seemingly around 70% of the deaths of people who had Covid-19 in the UK would have happened anyway with the other conditions they already had.

As the mortality rate seems very low & a high proportion of those deaths would have happened anyway then the herd immunity approach coupled with a higher level of testing is definitely a way out of the lockdown in my view.

my pals dad died this week of Covid 19 , he is nearly ninety in a care home has dementia and various other ailments. He has been going to the home for the last few months as he in his words “ on his last legs” .

now he is another Covid 19 statistic.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

I've been reading an article in the Telegraph about the approach in Sweden compared to more or less every other European country (no point in linking it as you need a subscription). The Swedes think the number requiring intensive care will be extremely low and they will be giving out numbers of people who have died BECAUSE of Covid-19 & not just those who have died who have it. This is a crucial distinction as seemingly around 70% of the deaths of people who had Covid-19 in the UK would have happened anyway with the other conditions they already had.

As the mortality rate seems very low & a high proportion of those deaths would have happened anyway then the herd immunity approach coupled with a higher level of testing is definitely a way out of the lockdown in my view.

What exactly does "would have died anyway" mean? Is there any clarification on how they define that? We are all going to die at some point.

 

[blueinsa]

What exactly does "would have died anyway" mean? Is there any clarification on how they define that? We are all going to die at some point.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654

 

[Lancet Fluke]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654

I'd want more clarification on what "would have died anyway within a short period" means. Short period is quite vague.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

I've been reading an article in the Telegraph about the approach in Sweden compared to more or less every other European country (no point in linking it as you need a subscription). The Swedes think the number requiring intensive care will be extremely low and they will be giving out numbers of people who have died BECAUSE of Covid-19 & not just those who have died who have it. This is a crucial distinction as seemingly around 70% of the deaths of people who had Covid-19 in the UK would have happened anyway with the other conditions they already had.

As the mortality rate seems very low & a high proportion of those deaths would have happened anyway then the herd immunity approach coupled with a higher level of testing is definitely a way out of the lockdown in my view.

I think it was you who posted a really good series of questions a week or so back which unfortunately we didn’t get any responses to - we are still in the great chartist phase of this thread.

if the above observations of the Swedes are correct how do they account for hospitals in parts of Europe and America being swamped, field hospitals being set up, temporary mortuaries assembled and columns of army trucks taking away coffins. I personally have no recollection of ever seeing these scenes in my life.

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

my pals dad died this week of Covid 19 , he is nearly ninety in a care home has dementia and various other ailments. He has been going to the home for the last few months as he in his words “ on his last legs” .

now he is another Covid 19 statistic.

Exactly. An ex work colleague of mine died last week and even though he was slightly younger than me & in his early 60s he had advanced dementia and he had been in a home for around five years. He had been seriously ill at various points and we had been expecting the worst for some time. If he had Covid-19 when he died then he too will be added to the figures but would it really be the sole cause of death?

 

[blueparrot]

I'd want more clarification on what "would have died anyway within a short period" means. Short period is quite vague.

Maybe one day we will at the moment it isn’t a priority.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Pawn to d4...

Hah that old move. I’m planning to sacrifice my queen tomorrow, stay tuned.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Because that, in itself, would absolutely crash the economy. It would mean defaulting on all government bonds (Gilts), which currently pay for every pension in payment and make up around half the value of every pension fund that’s not paying out. The reason that every pension fund holds them are because they are considered “risk free”. They are effectively £1,000 notes that pay the bearer somewhere between 0.5-5% per year for their term (1-15/20 years as a rule).

I’ll tell you now, you can absolutely 100% forget that as an idea. Won’t happen, can’t happen, never going to happen. It won’t even be floated as an idea by anyone.

Ok. I was basically thinking out loud when writing that.

Why have the government written off the NHS debt? Is it merely a £13 billion publicity stunt? It doesn’t help the NHS now.

All western economies are borrowing in massive amounts. At what point have they borrowed too much? Surely we’re already there. Something will have to be done to stabilise the national debt for all these countries.

 

[SilverFox2]

There is that much conflicting opinions from top scientists and different governments I for one don't know what to believe bud, the opinion that they would have died anyway seems a bit of a stretch, sounds more like a way they could bury (Pun intended) the numbers of deaths in their country.

My feeling is that some of the deaths are due to happen that day, some are due to happen soon and some are due to happen in the near future and others years away.
CV simply accelerates the death of some whilst those with years to go recover.

 

[Stoned Rose]

I've been reading an article in the Telegraph about the approach in Sweden compared to more or less every other European country (no point in linking it as you need a subscription). The Swedes think the number requiring intensive care will be extremely low and they will be giving out numbers of people who have died BECAUSE of Covid-19 & not just those who have died who have it. This is a crucial distinction as seemingly around 70% of the deaths of people who had Covid-19 in the UK would have happened anyway with the other conditions they already had.

As the mortality rate seems very low & a high proportion of those deaths would have happened anyway then the herd immunity approach coupled with a higher level of testing is definitely a way out of the lockdown in my view.

The Swedes have got the right idea imo.

Lockdown will have an indescribable impact on our economy, our children's education and development and a huge impact on millions of people's mental health.

Theres no way lockdown will last imo.