COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[squirtyflower]

Any idea of the real death rate for the UK? As far as I can gather only deaths in hospitals are being counted. If that is true then it's a case of massaging the figures so it doesn't look quite so bad.

That isn’t at all true.
Deaths from establishments run by Local Authorities, such as care homes and the like are collated and added every Tuesday.
You need to widen your net for gathering information.

 

[blue oli]

How much different would this all look like if it were akin to a solitary nuclear weapon being exploded somewhere, outside of the immediate loss of life?

Would similar measures have been enacted?

Just got me thinking.

Very much so, most of the protocols being put into place were actually developed for this exact instance, including use of excel, NEC and the arena.

 

[blue oli]

Fair play that is incredible - lets hope it works on the Monkeys.

Just on a totally unrelated note but I rewatched the planet of the apes films last week......

 

[BlueAnorak]

It's a wreckless risk of peoples' lives IMO.

If they get to the other side and have survived it with compared mortality rates to other countries, but without the financial impact, my view will be that they got away with it. Not that every other country screwed up.

If you are offered a grand for a shot to your head with a revolver with a single bullet, and you live to bank the grand, it does not make it a great decision.

I dont think it is especially wreckless.
Sweeden is much less densely populated than the UK and clearly doesn't have as big a proportion of knobheads in society that we do.
Indeed if UK average numbers drop this week, then the Social Isolation introduced a week before lockdown will have worked to some degree.

 

[ganganvince]

Give me a shout

That's never 2 metres

 

[SWP's back]

If they get through this with low levels of casualties, without millions of people losing their jobs and countless people suffering the detrimental effects to their mental health that comes with a lock down, I’d say that makes it a brilliant decision and a great credit to the maturity of the Swedish people.

Whilst accepting the U.K. isn’t in the same position to gave done likewise?

 

[Blue Elvis]

I found the attached article helpful in understanding the issues Scientists have in dealing with a new virus.
Stay safe.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/can-you-become-immune-sars-cov-2-180974532/

 

[jay_mcfc]

It's a wreckless risk of peoples' lives IMO.

If they get to the other side and have survived it with compared mortality rates to other countries, but without the financial impact, my view will be that they got away with it. Not that every other country screwed up.

If you are offered a grand for a shot to your head with a revolver with a single bullet, and you live to bank the grand, it does not make it a great decision.

Chippy nails it again but again I'd like to point out that the layout of Sweden is totally different to the UK. Even if Sweden ends up being a 'success' in some people's eyes it doesn't mean that it would have worked in the UK/Spain/Italy/USA. It wouldn't have.

 

[BlueAnorak]

The figures don’t actually match the hospital figures - there is a lag in reporting

Deaths to some degree - maybe 100 short over the whole country. But new cases? As the number of tests went up and new cases went down, then I doubt that is the case.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

@gordondaviesmoustache how’s Queen Anne doing?

Not good.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Just on a totally unrelated note but I rewatched the planet of the apes films last week......

That was our planet!

 

[Chippy_boy]

If they get through this with low levels of casualties, without millions of people losing their jobs and countless people suffering the detrimental effects to their mental health that comes with a lock down, I’d say that makes it a brilliant decision and a great credit to the maturity of the Swedish people.

Well you could say that, but without all of the detailed evidence to support such a conclusion, you'd be making a random unsubstantiated claim. A just as valid opinion would be that they took a calculated risk with peoples' lives and got away with it. Which IMO is a poor decision irrespective of the outcome, and incidentally also the view it would seem of nearly all other countries, if not all. And we're talking like they have got away with it. They haven't yet.

I would FAR rather that excessive measures proved unnecessary, than not enough measures resulted in countless extra deaths, and no more than an "oops sorry about that" to show for it.

 

[kaz7]

I had to go down to the chemist today and picked up some shopping for my neighbour,i said to everybody that served me thank you continuing to work,i really appreciate it,several bus drivers have died,several nurses and others,they are literally putting themselves out there for us,give them all a kind word

 

[blue oli]

That was our planet!

WAS [emoji1787][emoji1787]

 

[blueish swede]

It's a wreckless risk of peoples' lives IMO.

If they get to the other side and have survived it with compared mortality rates to other countries, but without the financial impact, my view will be that they got away with it. Not that every other country screwed up.

If you are offered a grand for a shot to your head with a revolver with a single bullet, and you live to bank the grand, it does not make it a great decision.

It's more about timing. Italy and Spain needed to go in to lockdown because their hospitals were being swamped. That's never been the case in Sweden. There is still capacity, even in Stockholm. New cases have halved over the past few days and most areas are reporting under 10 new cases per day.

Edit: IMO the UK were a fortnight too late to react.

 

[blue oli]

Deaths to some degree - maybe 100 short over the whole country. But new cases? As the number of tests went up and new cases went down, then I doubt that is the case.

It’s a lot more than that fella

 

[Summerbuzz]

Swedes are notorious fiends for massive amounts of personal space.

Exhibit a; (Photographs of Swedes waiting for public transport in normal times)

Exhibit b; (Excerpt from a handbook on Swedish social psychology, translated )

Intimate zone - up to half a meter - for those you have a deepened relationship with, cohabiting partner, children and other close family members.

The personal zone - up to one meter - the distance that good friends usually keep.

The social zone - one to two meters - in social contexts and when you do not know each other.

The public zone - three meters or more - the distance we keep to people we do not want contact with, for example the bus stop, library.

 

[jay_mcfc]

There were unusually low numbers of cases and deaths in the UK last Monday too. I wonder if there's a discrepancy in the counting at the weekend which are then included in the Tues/Weds figures.

 

[blueparrot]

There were unusually low numbers of cases and deaths in the UK last Monday too. I wonder if there's a discrepancy in the counting at the weekend which are then included in the Tues/Weds figures.

Posted earlier Scotland have only reported 2 each of the last 2 days as they are changing how they report, been warned the differences will come through mid week, so yes.

 

[super_city_si]

I dont think it is especially wreckless.
Sweeden is much less densely populated than the UK and clearly doesn't have as big a proportion of knobheads in society that we do.
Indeed if UK average numbers drop this week, then the Social Isolation introduced a week before lockdown will have worked to some degree.

Maybe not going as well as you believe

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...thousands-of-deaths-amid-laxer-virus-response