Democrat US Presidential Nominations

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Keep focusing on the name Sanders.

He's just the leader at the moment.

His campaign has highlighted the weakness of capitalism and what a house of cards it is. Progressive politics happened before Bernie Sanders and will happen after Bernie Sanders.

I daresay, when someone else fronts the Progressive march, next time, they won't be soft on another Dem opponent.

Biden is a frighteningly terrible candidate and Sanders shouldn't have been afraid to take him apart.

Business, never personal.
AOC is nailed on to be President one day imo. She’ll be 35 at the time of the next election, which means she’s legally allowed to run (the US has a legal minimum age of 35 for President or VP).

The next election will probably come too soon for her, but if America is ever going to elect a Progressive in our lifetime, I’d put money on it being her.
 
I find it hilarious that 'FogBlue' can talk about us, but not to us.

Just goes to show how weak minded and childish he is.

He should grow a pair.
Is it possible that, to others, you come across as someone who is more interested in pushing an agenda, than actually having a conversation? That you have decided that those who may not agree with this agenda must be stupid? If this is your notion of 'having a pair,' then might you want to question your definitions of childish and weak. Perhaps others disagree with these definitions and - in part at least - are thus more inclined to choose Biden rather than Sanders to be the democratic nominee to face Trump. Who knows, maybe some see Biden as someone willing to have a conversation with the whole of America, whereas Sanders is more seen as someone who wants to try and push his own agenda onto the country, whatever the cost may be (eg 4 more years of Trump). In this way, Sanders is just another version of Trump albeit on a different political wing. A wannabe strongman, to which Biden provides a real alternative. A choice for change beyond that of a different novelty wrapping. Is Biden the glitziest package, that promises the most to the world? Probably not but maybe that's not what people want - instead what might seem like step back, with which the country can then move forward on a more assured footing. Maybe even with a candidate that is more in line with your ideas - but, more importantly, in the context of the wishes of america as a whole.Or,as Biden might put it, its 'soul.'
 
AOC is nailed on to be President one day imo. She’ll be 35 at the time of the next election, which means she’s legally allowed to run (the US has a legal minimum age of 35 for President or VP).

The next election will probably come too soon for her, but if America is ever going to elect a Progressive in our lifetime, I’d put money on it being her.
Could be — but I suspect (a) the nation remains too conservative in the intermediate term and (b) Trump’s debacle of a term is going to make Americans a bit suspicious of candidates perceived to be Mavericks. But if she can gain some experience, power and leverage as a longer term House member or Senator sitting on important committees she can build a resume and a profile. Also she may decide she can accomplish more if she can become Speaker (assuming she’s stays in the House). One to watch for sure.
 
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So he’d be better off 11 points behind?
You may well know more about Biden than me, but I do know which of the Dem candidates Trumps team were more bothered about, and it wasn’t Sanders.
Fair point :) I suppose Bigga's point is that the lead isn't cause for comfort as similar leads have been overcome before. But like you said, better ahead than behind.
 
Lol. You don’t believe that for a second.

There’s a reason he went after Biden in Ukraine and a reasons he’s sending been tweeting in support of Sanders for a month or so. Biden is twatting Trump in the polls and has done for a year. He’s the moderate, not-Hated, non-socialist that can get votes in purple States.

Anyway, let’s lock the thread. It’s nominee race is over.
Yeah! But Sanders was twatting Trump in the polls too. In fairness I don't think Trump cared who he got. He cockily believes he can beat any of them. My sense was that prior to the pandemic he was probably right. Presidents in Economic booms almost never lose. No matter how much Foggy might personally hate them.

But with a thanked Economy and a pandemic, he is going to have a real battle. Personally, I don't think Biden has the mental capacity to last through November. The Pandemic is really a God send for Biden. Coz he'd have been gaffing in one rally after the other as the campaigning got more grueling.
 
Could be — but I suspect (a) the nation remains too conservative in the intermediate term and (b) Trump’s debacle of a term is going to make Americans a bit suspicious of candidates perceived to be Mavericks. But if she can gain some experience, power and leverage as a longer term House member or Senator sitting on important committees she can build a resume and a profile. Also she may decide she can accomplish more if she can become Speaker (assuming she’s stays in the House). One to watch for sure.
I agree. She's an extraordinarily talented politician so you never want to say never, but I think it's more likely she settles into a Nancy Pelosi-esque role or becomes an influential Senator instead. With the way the electoral college looks at present it's unlikely that anyone perceived to be as liberal as she is could actually win a national election anytime soon. Plus, by the time she runs she'll have been every conservative news outlet's favorite punching bag for like a decade. It's stupid, but that takes a toll over time.
 
Is it possible that, to others, you come across as someone who is more interested in pushing an agenda, than actually having a conversation? That you have decided that those who may not agree with this agenda must be stupid? If this is your notion of 'having a pair,' then might you want to question your definitions of childish and weak. Perhaps others disagree with these definitions and - in part at least - are thus more inclined to choose Biden rather than Sanders to be the democratic nominee to face Trump. Who knows, maybe some see Biden as someone willing to have a conversation with the whole of America, whereas Sanders is more seen as someone who wants to try and push his own agenda onto the country, whatever the cost may be (eg 4 more years of Trump). In this way, Sanders is just another version of Trump albeit on a different political wing. A wannabe strongman, to which Biden provides a real alternative. A choice for change beyond that of a different novelty wrapping. Is Biden the glitziest package, that promises the most to the world? Probably not but maybe that's not what people want - instead what might seem like step back, with which the country can then move forward on a more assured footing. Maybe even with a candidate that is more in line with your ideas - but, more importantly, in the context of the wishes of america as a whole.Or,as Biden might put it, its 'soul.'
What he doesn’t get or understand is the fact that whilst I (as in me personally) would rather vote for Sanders and his policies over Biden, the US is a great deal more conservative (small C).

THE most important thing in November is Trump losing and thus, my own feelings, wants and wishes are a great deal less important.

Biden has a better chance of being voted in as #46 than Sanders and that’s literally all the matters. It’s the reason Trump has been on the attack against Biden for over a year and the reason Trump’s been pushing the “Sanders is getting screwed over” agenda on his Twitter. He knows full well that he stood a much better chance against a candidate he could call a Communist and therefore survive by winning the red/purple swing states.
 
November 2020:

1) Anyone But Trump...

2) Allows The Notorious RBG & Breyer to retire

3) What passes for normalcy will resume, but with a $10T anchor around its neck, so if the Senate stays in R hands, then we are still fucked, as they will block every piece of legislation they can, stop any and all attempts are progressive policies, and scream blue murder about spending too freely now THEY have fixed the crisis...after all, that’s what the money is for, one time fiscal stimulus, not lifetime social program growth...

4) And the 2024 election begins...with Nicky Haley starting out as the #1 Conservative candidate (which is why she resigned from the BOD of Boeing) and every Dem with a political pulse wondering if Biden will even attempt a second term.

Now that Biden has a clear run to the nomination, he needs to start vetting the team he wants to build around him. Those names should help add gravitas to his nomination, give him credibility for building a team of high quality, and also reach across the entire spectrum of Democratic ideals, to include other candidates for the nomination and even choices put forth by Bernie.

This election will be successful if a Dem wins, as it not only removes a stain from the Office of the President, but allows a Dem President to put two Justices on the SCOTUS. This election will be spectacular if it also turns the Senate and holds onto the House. Even with all 3 branches of government in Dem hands, there will still be significant political maneuvering by Republicans, but it will help change the tone and tenor of American politics for the better...and we must not waste the opportunity, IF WE CAN CREATE THAT OPPORTUNITY! First things first!!
 
What he doesn’t get or understand is the fact that whilst I (as in me personally) would rather vote for Sanders and his policies over Biden, the US is a great deal more conservative (small C).

THE most important thing in November is Trump losing and thus, my own feelings, wants and wishes are a great deal less important.

Biden has a better chance of being voted in as #46 than Sanders and that’s literally all the matters. It’s the reason Trump has been on the attack against Biden for over a year and the reason Trump’s been pushing the “Sanders is getting screwed over” agenda on his Twitter. He knows full well that he stood a much better chance against a candidate he could call a Communist and therefore survive by winning the red/purple swing states.
Yep. What you write comes across as intelligent reasoning for me. DIsagree or agree on opinions/facts etc for sure. But to call it stupid just seems a bit self -defeating and doesn't really ring true. As I see it you and Bigga are in agreement as to wanting policy goals closer to Sanders' than Bidens but the practical part of how to come to this, is a bit of a bone of contention. Bidens policies seem a whole heap closer to Sanders than Trumps. Or is that a contentious statement, also?

Beyond this, am curious as to whether Biden might give republicans an out from Trumpism that Sanders couldn't/wouldn't offer. Which may help swing the vote the democrats way. And if Biden were elected, it might lead to more bi-partisan way of governing that would then allow republicans to remember what they're really about. On the other hand, if Sanders were nominated and elected, might this lead to even more polarity whereupon republicans might unite and turn to an even more Trump-like figure? Four years down the track, the possibility of an unenthused, divided democratic party facing off against a rabid, resurgent republican party? Might make 2016 look like a rather pleasant, heartwarming surprise. But that's just conjecture - stupid or otherwise, who knows...
 
AOC is nailed on to be President one day imo. She’ll be 35 at the time of the next election, which means she’s legally allowed to run (the US has a legal minimum age of 35 for President or VP).

The next election will probably come too soon for her, but if America is ever going to elect a Progressive in our lifetime, I’d put money on it being her.

I thought it was 39 years of age?
 
Is it possible that, to others, you come across as someone who is more interested in pushing an agenda, than actually having a conversation? That you have decided that those who may not agree with this agenda must be stupid? If this is your notion of 'having a pair,' then might you want to question your definitions of childish and weak. Perhaps others disagree with these definitions and - in part at least - are thus more inclined to choose Biden rather than Sanders to be the democratic nominee to face Trump. Who knows, maybe some see Biden as someone willing to have a conversation with the whole of America, whereas Sanders is more seen as someone who wants to try and push his own agenda onto the country, whatever the cost may be (eg 4 more years of Trump). In this way, Sanders is just another version of Trump albeit on a different political wing. A wannabe strongman, to which Biden provides a real alternative. A choice for change beyond that of a different novelty wrapping. Is Biden the glitziest package, that promises the most to the world? Probably not but maybe that's not what people want - instead what might seem like step back, with which the country can then move forward on a more assured footing. Maybe even with a candidate that is more in line with your ideas - but, more importantly, in the context of the wishes of america as a whole.Or,as Biden might put it, its 'soul.'

Okay, I'm glad the happy clappers have applauded you.

I attempted to "have a conversation" with the others and they chose not to be open minded. What conversation is there to be had if the Dems are pushing forward a figurehead, not someone with his own steadfast beliefs, a figurehead that will continue the Obama administration; an administration that believes capitalism comes before people.

You won't know, but the early exchanges were all about helping people now. My argument was (and still is) this system isn't the way to do it. As we are seeing now, there was/ is merit in my argument. Not that anyone will bother to retract their thinking.

You still have this brainwashed neoliberals not understanding that they should cherish this moment in time where they can breathe and see clearly the bright blue skies above them and see nature without capitalism smothering and choking us. Literally. As a byproduct of the pandemic, why wouldn't you want a 'Green New deal' based on the evidence today??

So, yes, NOW I have an agenda to push; an agenda for change to this society. I can't break through to people while their idealist world is burning around them.

You should WANT to live in a better world NOW, rather return to incrementalism like the last 60 odd years.

It's about time.
 
What he doesn’t get or understand is the fact that whilst I (as in me personally) would rather vote for Sanders and his policies over Biden, the US is a great deal more conservative (small C).

THE most important thing in November is Trump losing and thus, my own feelings, wants and wishes are a great deal less important.

Biden has a better chance of being voted in as #46 than Sanders and that’s literally all the matters. It’s the reason Trump has been on the attack against Biden for over a year and the reason Trump’s been pushing the “Sanders is getting screwed over” agenda on his Twitter. He knows full well that he stood a much better chance against a candidate he could call a Communist and therefore survive by winning the red/purple swing states.

Don't talk about me like I don't understand.

I know that the US works against its own interest and you can see it in action now.

And #45 has attacked everyone in a scatter gun approach. He hasn't didn't single out Biden before out of fear, but you already know that. All he's doing now is showing how poor a candidate Handsy Forgetful 'Sleepy' Joe is.

As much as Andrew Cuomo is a poor politician with questions to answer of his own, I could stomach him slightly more.
 
Don't talk about me like I don't understand.

But you seemingly don’t understand this point. You care more about Bernie having his shot at a GE then you do about Trump being deposed.

As much as Andrew Cuomo is a poor politician with questions to answer of his own, I could stomach him slightly more.

Wouldn’t we all. But that’s not happening right now.
 
Yep. What you write comes across as intelligent reasoning for me. DIsagree or agree on opinions/facts etc for sure. But to call it stupid just seems a bit self -defeating and doesn't really ring true. As I see it you and Bigga are in agreement as to wanting policy goals closer to Sanders' than Bidens but the practical part of how to come to this, is a bit of a bone of contention. Bidens policies seem a whole heap closer to Sanders than Trumps. Or is that a contentious statement, also?

Beyond this, am curious as to whether Biden might give republicans an out from Trumpism that Sanders couldn't/wouldn't offer. Which may help swing the vote the democrats way. And if Biden were elected, it might lead to more bi-partisan way of governing that would then allow republicans to remember what they're really about. On the other hand, if Sanders were nominated and elected, might this lead to even more polarity whereupon republicans might unite and turn to an even more Trump-like figure? Four years down the track, the possibility of an unenthused, divided democratic party facing off against a rabid, resurgent republican party? Might make 2016 look like a rather pleasant, heartwarming surprise. But that's just conjecture - stupid or otherwise, who knows...

I think you miss the point that the Dem establishment have ties to the same big business corporations as the GOP.

It's exactly why there was very little resistance to trillion dollar bailout just voted for! Big business never truly needed it as they have billions in profit to cushion the 'blow'.

This bailout only gives the average worker a one time payment of $1200 on average and doesn't have a rent freeze of any note iirc and who knows how long the pandemic will last?

You have to stop focusing on this fantasy battle of 'good and evil' between the major parties when the average person is the one suffering. The major parties have a slither of difference between them.

You have to start thinking about what policies are being agreed upon and why.
 
But you seemingly don’t understand this point. You care more about Bernie having his shot at a GE then you do about Trump being deposed.



Wouldn’t we all. But that’s not happening right now.

Well, again, it's not about Sanders. He's the leader at present.

What's interesting is that #45 is, at least, willing to explore M4A (to which Biden rejects) for relief in this pandemic. If that works and is a winner in people's minds then I suspect #45 will look to expand medicare in certain ways.

And despite his fooked up nature, people would be willing to stick with him ESPECIALLY if the economy bounces back.

In that scenario, Biden is never going to get a look in.

There are pluses and minuses to this pandemic.
 
So, earlier I said there's a slither of difference between the parties and this image popped up when I was researching something else:

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I gotta say, that looks mostly accurate!

I mean Biden did say 'nothing will essentially change' himself.

Roughly the same politics with a crooked smile instead from Biden and the Est Dems.
 

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