COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[SuperstarNeilC]

Plans to make face masks compulsory. Arrest and detainment for noncompliance.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Visitors and staff,it only takes one of them to get it and it spreads like mad

No need to state the obvious hun, I’m just saying that 2,000 separate establishments seems outrageous. Consequently, and this is where I suppose I’m heading, is that I’d say if that’s true then it must mean a larger proportion of the population have had this asymptomatically which I suppose at the end of the day is some form of positive.

 

[hcblue95]

Plans to make face masks compulsory. Arrest and detainment for noncompliance.

They'll have to find some from somewhere then.

 

[kaz7]

No need to state the obvious hun, I’m just saying that 2,000 separate establishments seems outrageous. Consequently, and this is where I suppose I’m heading, is that I’d say if that’s true then it must mean a larger proportion of the population have had this asymptomatically which I suppose at the end of the day is some form of positive.

Sorry thought you were asking how it got in

 

[BlueAnorak]

Why is it the NHS's fault that people haven't been told to wear masks?

First its not the NHS. It's NHS and PHE (Public Health England) Management. NHS Workers are Lions led by Donkeys. I've had experience designing and delivering IT systens to these jokers. They are incompetent on a grand scale due to the centralised command and control bureaucracy.

The UK considers that the SARs virus (2003) was an airborne virus. By this, I mean small 10 micron sized droplets of fluid can carry the virus and these can becput in the air by cough, talking or indeed breathing. These then drift in the air for a couple of minutes. With ventilation these can be grounded in seconds.
This is the PHE/NHS advice on thie original SARS virus:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/sars/

Why therefore did they think that Coronavirus, a very close relative of SARS was not Airborne?
Yes surface transfers and touching your face are the most common method of transfer SO HAND HYGENE IS CRITICAL but not the only way. Evidence suggests 1/3 of transfers are from the airbourne route (compare new case rates in Europe & the US with Japan/Singapore without mega testing).

Yes it only gives the wearer limited protection from catching it (around 60%) and if the wearer doesnt take it off properly they can help infect themselves, but it's most crucial role is to limit the wearer from spreading it in aerosol form into the air to others.

So why was this decision made by PHE/NHS management to rule out the use of face masks? It's not a political decision though they could have overruled their scientific advice..

I suspect the collective western world's health services were caught with their pants down (only Canada had cases of SARS) and simply didn't prepare for the next pandemic and didn't want joe public competing with health services for masks.
Again (as usual) Singapore and Taiwan show the way. N95 mask production and imports are seized by the government for the health service workers and surgical masks rationed to the public.

We failed because our Health managenent is too centralised. Unlike the far east (not China) and Germany who were extremely nimble with decision making.

 

[kaz7]

First its not the NHS. It's NHS and PHE (Public Health England) Management. NHS Workers are Lions led by Donkeys. I've had experience designing and delivering IT systens to these jokers. They are incompetent on a grand scale due to the centralised command and control bureaucracy.

The UK considers that the SARs virus (2003) was an airborne virus. By this, I mean small 10 micron sized droplets of fluid can carry the virus and these can becput in the air by cough, talking or indeed breathing. These then drift in the air for a couple of minutes. With ventilation these can be grounded in seconds.
This is the PHE/NHS advice on thie original SARS virus:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/sars/

Why therefore did they think that Coronavirus, a very close relative of SARS was not Airborne?
Yes surface transfers and touching your face are the most common method of transfer SO HAND HYGENE IS CRITICAL but not the only way. Evidence suggests 1/3 of transfers are from the airbourne route (compare new case rates in Europe & the US with Japan/Singapore without mega testing).

Yes it only gives the wearer limited protection from catching it around 70%, but it's most crucial role is to limit the wearer spreading it in aerosol form into the air to others.

So why was this decision made by PHE/NHS management to rule out the use of face masks? It's not a political decision though they could have overruled their scientific advice..

I suspect the collective western world's health services were caught with their pants down - only Canada had cases of SARS - and simply didn't prepare for the next pandemic and didn't want joe public competing with health services for masks.
Again (as usual) Singapore and Taiwan show the way. N95 mask production and imports are seized by the government for the health service and surgical mask rationed to the public.

We failed because our Health managenent is too centralised. Unlike the far east (not China) and Germany who were extremely nimble with decision making.

But we don't have enough masks for front line workers as it is,it is much more important they have them,you could get a mask privately but 50 million of us can't,social distancing is by far the better way

 

[BlueAnorak]

Ok. Humour me with a sort of stupid question, however as I’ve had a drink then I’m conscious that I might be missing a really obvious reason.

Just stumbled across the news, and yes I appreciate why this virus kills old people so easily, but how the fuck has this virus managed to get into “2,000 care homes” as figures they’ve just quoted?

That just seems like an astonishingly high number?

Visitors and carers.

 

[cleavers]

Plans to make face masks compulsory. Arrest and detainment for noncompliance.

Says who ?

 

[BlueAnorak]

But we don't have enough masks for front line workers as it is,it is much more important they have them,you could get a mask privately but 50 million of us can't,social distancing is by far the better way

More than enough surgical masks to ration.

See the route Taiwan and Singapore took with respect to N95 and surgical masks.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Says who ?

Italy and Spain very recently for one. Austria, Slovckia and others previously.

 

[kaz7]

See the route Taiwan and Singapore took with respect to N95 and surgical masks.

I am afraid we naval gazed too long and missed the boat to get enough

How are you feeling?

 

[cleavers]

Italy and Spain very recently for one. Austria, Slovckia and others previously.

I was asking who said it here ?

WHO don't recommend it, from someone who lives with someone who wears masks at work every day, they are rendered useless after a couple of uses, which is why the NHS change and throw them away regularly, and why there are such shortages, providing 60m+ regularly to our population is impossible.

 

[True_Blue69]

It seems like the only way we are getting to grips with this in the near future is by almost all of us catching it. With the evidence suggesting that viral loading results in a worse case of the virus, could it ever be considered to manually infect people with a very low dose to let the body naturally defend itself against it? That way we can get to the point of having the right amount of people with the antibodies without causing people to need medical treatment. Or is this a pie in the sky idea?

 

[BlueAnorak]

I am afraid we naval gazed too long and missed the boat to get enough

How are you feeling?

Shit today.
I've had another relapse- slightly less gruesome this time - with kidney, Liver, Bowel, Lung lining twinges and headache issues a week after the first.
I have some antibiotics to take and I have to self isolate for another week. If it happens again I have to have a COVID-19 test, blood tests and an MRI scan.

 

[chesterbells]

Fauci makes clarification. I’m sure unprompted of course.

 

[kaz7]

Shit today.
I've had another relapse- slightly less gruesome this time - with kidney, Liver, Bowel, Lung lining and headache issues a week after the first.
I have some antibiotics to take and I have to self isolate for another week. If it happens again I have to have a COVID-19 test, blood tests and an MRI scan.

Oh sorry lovely,that is shit,you haven't half been through mill,i really hope it settles down x

 

[domalino]

But we don't have enough masks for front line workers as it is,it is much more important they have them,you could get a mask privately but 50 million of us can't,social distancing is by far the better way

3M are now making 100 million N95 masks per month and that's on it's way to doubling. And while they are the biggest supplier they are not the only one.

China are currently making 116 million masks and respirators every day.

These things are cheap, made from common resources and easy to manufacture. The mask shortages were always going to be a very short term thing. By the end of May the world will be swimming in more masks and respirators than we can use.

 

[domalino]

Ooh a study has found that a cat can catch it after being exposed to a very high dose and can pass this to another cat,dogs can't do it,there is no evidence a cat can pass it to humans
Back off @aguero93:20

Mans best friend wins again.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Says who ?

The Lone Ranger?

 

[Fame Monster]

So why was this decision made by PHE/NHS management to rule out the use of face masks? It's not a political decision though they could have overruled their scientific advice..

We failed because our Health managenent is too centralised. Unlike the far east (not China) and Germany who were extremely nimble with decision making.

How do we know that it's the NHS management or PHE giving the advice to the Gov't on facemasks?

As far as I know, NHS management aren't giving any advice to the Gov't on COVID-19? Obviously PHE are or are you saying that the two groups are one and the same?