COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[BlueAnorak]

Have you got a link to the story ?

Cant see it on the BBC website but plenty of similar stories in the India section. South America section too.

 

[jonmcity]

Personally, I’d guess that we are on the correct path, for the simple reason that until there is a vaccine then COVID is just going to keep on coming in spikes. Consequently the more people subjected to it the better.

lets hope we are some of those that can catch it and survive.

 

[Marvin]

Telling everyone to stay in their house and close down the entire economy until a vaccine is developed (say 12 to 18 months ) will kill far more.

Herd immunity whilst safeguarding the vulnerable is the long term play. It's not as stupid as it sounds.

But if you can keep infection at bay with mass testing until a vaccine in September then it is stupid. Both China and South Korea suggest that that is possible. And the US and Germany are taking that route too. The US did nothing apart from ban travel for two months but they are on a war footing out in no mans land, whereas we're stuck in the trenches with the masks on waiting for the mustard gas to roll in.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Has the UK media ever asked or confronted Sir Patrick Vallance as to whether the UK has abandoned the herd immunity policy? The journalist briefing questions must be vetted because it's the obvious question given the choices and decisions made.

The feeble questions that are asked in those press conferences are a fucking disgrace.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Personally, I’d guess that we are on the correct path, for the simple reason that until there is a vaccine then COVID is just going to keep on coming in spikes. Consequently the more people subjected to it the better.

I agree.

I tell you what though, getting the economy going again is going be harder than the govt think.

let’s say in 2 , 3 weeks or whatever they start to release the lockdown.

they are going to go from one day saying stay at home , save lives, sitting on a park bench is dangerous. People spread it and those who get coronavirus die. It’s deadly , it spreads on surfaces. Death, ICU , death, spreads like wildfire. Only go out of your house if it’s essential. Exercise limited to one day. 1000 deaths today.

To

ok thanks , we think we can relax the lockdown so go back to work and shops and restaurants can open. try and avoid gatherings and social distance and wash your hands. 80% of you will be fine and have mild conditions

Those who are 18-25 will think thank fuck and go out as normal as at the age you are invincible and immortal anyway

A large proportion of the rest of the society will be scared and nervous about carrying on as normal until a vaccine is available simply because of the messages over the last few months.

if the chancellor thinks if he starts to release the lockdown and the economy can immediately start moving again he is dreaming there are too many people who are anxious about catching this virus because of what we have been told and witnessed ourselves.

 

[SWP's back]

I think Iran has had assistance from China, Russia and the UAE.

Qatar perhaps but not the UAE.

 

[Marvin]

I agree.

I tell you what though, getting the economy going again is going be harder than the govt think.

let’s say in 2 , 3 weeks or whatever they start to release the lockdown.

they are going to go from one day saying stay at home , save lives, sitting on a park bench is dangerous. People spread it and those who get coronavirus die. It’s deadly , it spreads on surfaces. Death, ICU , death, spreads like wildfire. Only go out of your house if it’s essential. Exercise limited to one day. 1000 deaths today.

To

ok thanks , we think we can relax the lockdown so go back to work and shops and restaurants can open. try and avoid gatherings and social distance and wash your hands. 80% of you will be fine and have mild conditions

Those who are 18-25 will think thank fuck and go out as normal as at the age you are invincible and immortal anyway

A large proportion of the rest of the society will be scared and nervous about carrying on as normal until a vaccine is available simply because of the messages over the last few months.

if the chancellor thinks if he starts to release the lockdown and the economy can immediately start moving again he is dreaming there are too many people who are anxious about catching this virus because of what we have been told and witnessed ourselves.

USA will open up shortly state by state with mass testing and surveillance. South Korea Mk II. Likewise Germany.

Nerves will vanish if it works. The UK will follow because I think it will work.

You do it for a long as necessary i.e. until a vaccine and I suspect there'll be one sooner rather than later based on the timelines of the developers involved.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Because the international standard for comparison is hospital deaths, the number of total deaths is available from the office for national statistics but this is not broken down into sectors there is a plan to break these numbers down in the future but not yet. Hope this helps.

Thanks, that did help. I hate seeing the figures, but it does help to know how close we might be to the peak/ end of the nightmare

 

[Marvin]

Qatar perhaps but not the UAE.

Research it

 

[Vic]

They're double bagging bodies of those that have succumbed to it here. Not to be opened again. This will most likely be having a great affect on families that have traditionally had an open casket.

Crematoria in the UK trying to dissuade families from carrying the coffin (leave it on the funeral director's trolley).

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

It’s quite amazing how something like this has brought the world to its knees in less than 6 weeks.

So tough on so many people. Mental health issues but be going through the roof. I’ve been feeling a bit shit the last few days for the first time since it started.

 

[SWP's back]

Research it

You research it. I’ve been reading the newspaper stories on a weekly basis of Qatar sending aid.

15/03 first batch
https://m.gulf-times.com/story/658473/Qatar-sends-medical-aid-to-Iran

22/03 second batch
https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2020/03/22/2228164/qatar-sends-new-aid-shipment-to-iran

https://m.gulf-times.com/Story/658840

 

[The blue phantom]

Telling everyone to stay in their house and close down the entire economy until a vaccine is developed (say 12 to 18 months ) will kill far more.

This is true, What's going to happen with the elderly and folk with pretty bad underlying health conditions. I think this is the one that could be giving the government an headache.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I agree.

I tell you what though, getting the economy going again is going be harder than the govt think.

let’s say in 2 , 3 weeks or whatever they start to release the lockdown.

they are going to go from one day saying stay at home , save lives, sitting on a park bench is dangerous. People spread it and those who get coronavirus die. It’s deadly , it spreads on surfaces. Death, ICU , death, spreads like wildfire. Only go out of your house if it’s essential. Exercise limited to one day. 1000 deaths today.

To

ok thanks , we think we can relax the lockdown so go back to work and shops and restaurants can open. try and avoid gatherings and social distance and wash your hands. 80% of you will be fine and have mild conditions

Those who are 18-25 will think thank fuck and go out as normal as at the age you are invincible and immortal anyway

A large proportion of the rest of the society will be scared and nervous about carrying on as normal until a vaccine is available simply because of the messages over the last few months.

if the chancellor thinks if he starts to release the lockdown and the economy can immediately start moving again he is dreaming there are too many people who are anxious about catching this virus because of what we have been told and witnessed ourselves.

This is why in some respect it's a benefit to be behind a few weeks with Spain and Italy etc - we can model our relaxation of lockdown by watching theirs and seeing how they evolve with this all

 

[Marlo]

@Marlo

In your expert opinion, if someone jumps out of a plane without a parachute and dies, would they test for COVID-19 in the post-mortem?

Just catching up with this now. If you had a very obvious cause of death such as jumping out of a plane or been shot in the head/stabbed there is not usually post-mortem blood analysis performed. There are exceptions to this for instance if you were erratic or deranged in the events leading up to the death they might well check for drugs/alcohol as a way to explain the persons state of mind.

This might happen in the case of someone who jumped out of a plane to commit suicide. It is unlikely that a COVID 19 test would take place as even if the person had it, it did not cause their death. The point of an autopsy and coroners court is to identify the cause of death, in the cases above the cause are obvious. Some coroners/pathologist, definetly not all, may want further information on the victims state of mind so would investigate if drugs/alcohol were taken beforehand.

I see some people asking if you had cancer and got COVID 19 and died with it would that be counted as a cause of death. That is still a little unclear, if you had complications from a underlying disease and you got COVID 19 and this resulted in your death then yes that would be counted.

One thing I should say from speaking with ICU nurses and doctors it is usually quite obvious to identify the people who are suffering from this. The description given to me is that they tend to have a grey pallor, shortness of breath, severe cough and bloodshot eyes.

 

[Vic]

Zero testing and tracing says so too (all our testing goes towards diagnoses, and front line staff). If you look at what is being done it makes sense if they have an eye on the long term. I think their strategy was valid initially but the evidence from South Korea and the availability of rapid testing should have changed the strategy.

...which is of course the WHO advice that we and Trump ignored.
"All countries should be prepared for containment, including active surveillance, early detection, isolation and case management, contact tracing and prevention of onward spread of 2019-nCoVinfection, and to share full data with WHO"
(30 January)

 

[Gabriel]

It’s quite amazing how something like this has brought the world to its knees in less than 6 weeks.

So tough on so many people. Mental health issues but be going through the roof. I’ve been feeling a bit shit the last few days for the first time since it started.

Physically or mentally?
Read a piece last night that said, without a vaccine, we could be living thus, in some capacity, until 2025. Didn’t do my mood any good. :-(

 

[Bluemoon dan]

So the day after they started to relax some of the restrictions Spain has had its biggest daily increase in new cases for over a week. I know they aren't necessarily linked as the numbers don't come through that quickly but it shows how careful we are going to have to be.

 

[Northernstorirs]

I agree.

I tell you what though, getting the economy going again is going be harder than the govt think.

let’s say in 2 , 3 weeks or whatever they start to release the lockdown.

they are going to go from one day saying stay at home , save lives, sitting on a park bench is dangerous. People spread it and those who get coronavirus die. It’s deadly , it spreads on surfaces. Death, ICU , death, spreads like wildfire. Only go out of your house if it’s essential. Exercise limited to one day. 1000 deaths today.

To

ok thanks , we think we can relax the lockdown so go back to work and shops and restaurants can open. try and avoid gatherings and social distance and wash your hands. 80% of you will be fine and have mild conditions

Those who are 18-25 will think thank fuck and go out as normal as at the age you are invincible and immortal anyway

A large proportion of the rest of the society will be scared and nervous about carrying on as normal until a vaccine is available simply because of the messages over the last few months.

if the chancellor thinks if he starts to release the lockdown and the economy can immediately start moving again he is dreaming there are too many people who are anxious about catching this virus because of what we have been told and witnessed ourselves.

I think it's naive of the government to think there will be an economic "boom" once lockdown is lifted. You rightly mention that until a vaccine is sourced, some people will (quite rightly) be cautious and fearlful about leaving their homes.

Also, many people have taken a reduction to their income and some even losing income completely. Those impacted will be looking to get back on track financially and won't have the disposable income to spend once lockdown is lifted. Businesses will also be looking to recover lost sales etc.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I agree.

I tell you what though, getting the economy going again is going be harder than the govt think.

let’s say in 2 , 3 weeks or whatever they start to release the lockdown.

they are going to go from one day saying stay at home , save lives, sitting on a park bench is dangerous. People spread it and those who get coronavirus die. It’s deadly , it spreads on surfaces. Death, ICU , death, spreads like wildfire. Only go out of your house if it’s essential. Exercise limited to one day. 1000 deaths today.

To

ok thanks , we think we can relax the lockdown so go back to work and shops and restaurants can open. try and avoid gatherings and social distance and wash your hands. 80% of you will be fine and have mild conditions

Those who are 18-25 will think thank fuck and go out as normal as at the age you are invincible and immortal anyway

A large proportion of the rest of the society will be scared and nervous about carrying on as normal until a vaccine is available simply because of the messages over the last few months.

if the chancellor thinks if he starts to release the lockdown and the economy can immediately start moving again he is dreaming there are too many people who are anxious about catching this virus because of what we have been told and witnessed ourselves.

There is absolutely no way that restaurants are re-opening in the first tranche of relaxation of measures. Not a fucking chance.