Another new Brexit thread

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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Just another example of the sort of economic exploitation of humans you are happy to see put food on your plate. I've no doubt my own shopping basket is far from beyond reproach, but I don't try to present exploitation as an opportunity.
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You're fucking way off in your assumptions about me but carry on. And you think I'm a sanctimonious twat.
 
The only Romanian I know is a complete and utter ****, that I used to work with.

Im sure the rest are much improved on her, can only get better!
 
If we are going tenuous then I must add that I delivered a parcel to a bloke called Nicolae Ceausescu last week.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Just another example of the sort of economic exploitation of humans you are happy to see put food on your plate. I've no doubt my own shopping basket is far from beyond reproach, but I don't try to present exploitation as an opportunity.
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I don't see what is exploitation if there are measures in place to protect from the virus. The real point here is that this is the first and clearest example where there is a shortage of 'unskilled' labour caused by Brexit. It will be the first in a long line, be it fruit pickers, tourism staff or NHS porters. There has been a pretty vocal view on here that these positions can and will be filled by UK residents. Well here is the first example where that turns out to be an utter fallacy.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I don't see what is exploitation if there are measures in place to protect from the virus. The real point here is that this is the first and clearest example where there is a shortage of 'unskilled' labour caused by Brexit. It will be the first in a long line, be it fruit pickers, tourism staff or NHS porters. There has been a pretty vocal view on here that these positions can and will be filled by UK residents. Well here is the first example where that turns out to be an utter fallacy.
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Yet we are to understand Brexit is leading to mass unemployment among the poor folk? If that's true then there's your workforce to fill the 'shortage of unskilled labour caused by Brexit'. So, if this is not the case it either means the brexit related job losses are not happening, or if they are then the newly unemployed are getting a better deal on benefits than taking up the 'opportunities' of unskilled labour currently offered to Eastern Europeans who apparently have to be flown in on chartered planes and paid well over minimum wage. Some thing doesn't add up here.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Yet we are to understand Brexit is leading to mass unemployment among the poor folk? If that's true then there's your workforce to fill the 'shortage of unskilled labour caused by Brexit'. So, if this is not the case it either means the brexit related job losses are not happening, or if they are then the newly unemployed are getting a better deal on benefits than taking up the 'opportunities' of unskilled labour currently offered to Eastern Europeans who apparently have to be flown in on chartered planes and paid well over minimum wage. Some thing doesn't add up here.
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so so general. We have had unemployment before and still do and yet these roles are invariably filled by Europeans. So why is that?
Maybe it’s because it has been impossible to match these roles with available uk residents, who are in the right place geographically, with the right capability who actually want to do these roles. Just have a look at the employment stats for example Norfolk which is pretty agricultural and tell me how they would manage to fill significant seasonal vacancies. Good luck with that. Those that think we have a potential land army ready to be mobilised are dillusional.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
so so general. We have had unemployment before and still do and yet these roles are invariably filled by Europeans. So why is that?
Maybe it’s because it has been impossible to match these roles with available uk residents, who are in the right place geographically, with the right capability who actually want to do these roles. Just have a look at the employment stats for example Norfolk which is pretty agricultural and tell me how they would manage to fill significant seasonal vacancies. Good luck with that. Those that think we have a potential land army ready to be mobilised are dillusional.
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So people can't travel from another part of the UK to Norfolk, but chartering 737's to pick people up from Romania is fine! Do they land at Norwich airport? :-)
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Totally - but why?
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I would be guessing if I knew. My best guess is that it is societal, with a number of different strands to that. U.K. Farming in general finds it hard to attract new blood outside the farming industry. Eastern Europe still has a tradition of small ‘Croft holders’ used to living of the land for very little monetary reward. The seasonal nature of the work, the hard manual graft involved. I am basing my opinion pretty much on historical evidence and what fruit farmers in the U.K. have said about the issue.
 
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