COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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I haven’t the foggiest idea about vaccine development. What I do know is these people know more than most.
https://oxfordbrc.nihr.ac.uk/oxford-covid-19-vaccine-programme-opens-for-clinical-trial-recruitment/

I also know they are trying to get funding for getting production started to build up supplies while trials are being run. So if trials fail then I assume it’s money wasted but they seem confident enough to take the risk. If they are saying there is a possibility that some will be available in the tail end of this year , I ‘m not in a position to argue, just hope they are right.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
interesting that most have three underlying health issues. I wonder if these are health issues that were already known pre death or only found post mortem, if they are doing these currently which I would guess they aren’t due to number of deaths.
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Most will be known especially in older people, however the heart disease being the main factor could explain some of the younger ones that have died with no known health conditions, we know from footballers, and athletes as well as other apparently fit young people, they can suddenly die from unknown heart issues.
 
blueparrot said:
Most will be known especially in older people, however the heart disease being the main factor could explain some of the younger ones that have died with no known health conditions, we know from footballers, and athletes as well as other apparently fit young people, they can suddenly die from unknown heart issues.
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Very tragically, my mate’s 3 year old son died of a heart attack last year and they had no idea he had anything wrong with his heart.
 
karen7 said:
There were more than 1,600 coronavirus-linked deaths outside of hospitals in England and Wales in March, new Office for National Statistics (ONS) figures suggest.

In new figures published on Thursday, the ONS said there were 3,912 deaths involving coronavirus in England and Wales last month.

Of those, 3,372 (86%) had COVID-19 assigned as the underlying cause of death

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...pitals-in-england-and-wales-in-march-11974052
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so UK's death toll is 75% higher than being reported at present?
 
bert38 said:
so UK's death toll is 75% higher than being reported at present?
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Well - it was 75% higher than reported at that time. We'll have to wait and see what happens going forward, but it shouldn't be anywhere near 75% as far as my understanding goes. I've heard estimates that it's likely running anywhere between 10% and 25% below. But it might even out altogether - figures were lagging badly, but that has improved. We'll just have to wait and see.
 
karen7 said:
It all gets reported but in different ways,we get hospital figures every day,the ONS is just once a week,the figures from the ONS are debatable i think,drs can do death certificates for patients in care homes without even seeing them,patients aren't tested so it is down to each dr to decide if it is put on the death certificate,myself i take those figures not literally
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Of course-those reasons will be used by politicians so as to keep the real figures down-after all it reflects on them and their decisions.
 
Has it been mentioned that AstraZeneca are starting a trial using a different tack?

Rather than trying to stop the virus having an effect, they're trying to stop the body immune response going into overdrive and causing the respiratory problems using a drug that's used to do the same against cancer.

If it works, I think this could have a significant effect on the very ill.
 
karen7 said:
It all gets reported but in different ways,we get hospital figures every day,the ONS is just once a week,the figures from the ONS are debatable i think,drs can do death certificates for patients in care homes without even seeing them,patients aren't tested so it is down to each dr to decide if it is put on the death certificate,myself i take those figures not literally
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TBH both figures are debatable. The daily count is lagging, so the long range counts definitely ought to be a more accurate figure for a given time period. If a death certificate mentions COVID 19 as the underlying cause of death, that's pretty definitive. If anything, we're saying even that figure underplays the number of lives lost. I am pretty angry about it, because presenting people with a confused and conflicted range of figures lessens the impact and meaning of them. I don't really know if there's anything in them that says I should be optimistic or not. It clouds the whole issue, which impacts decisions people make around their personal safety, adherence to the restrictions, and the public debate about what happens next.
 
robbieh said:
And according to press reports these refer to people who have died in hospital.

There have been posters on here suggesting the numbers include carehomes etc

That does not seem to be the case.
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The total does include deaths outside of hospitals. Which is probably where the confusion arises.
 
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