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Vic said:
Official comment on why we are pressing on with end of year crash out.

"We need legislative and economic flexibility to manage the UK response to the pandemic."

So that's rescuing the economy by trashing H&S, working hours, sick leave, holiday entitlement....
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If you translate that into tory it means 'competitive and flexible labour market'. We voted them in so can't really complain now. It's a Tory govt - does what it says on the tin.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
British people are some of the hardest working people in Europe. There are lots of people doing 12hour shifts (manual labour), fed up of hearing that lazy argument from some

I’d also so these jobs such ‘picking sprouts all day’ are impossible for most people. The wages are incredibly low and not feasible for people with families. If farmers actually want British people to do them maybe they could pay an actual wage or some of these other business’s could think about people rather then cheap labour and profit .....
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To be fair going back to the Brexit debate I recall an article on Newsnight where the folk of Boston Lincs ( not Mass lol ) were so pro Brexit coz of the number of Poles in town. Those Poles were there doing doing those very same seasonal jobs, order picking in warehouses and washing cars and the like. The reporter went to the Job Centre Plus and spoke to some lads who were signing on asking why aren't they doing the work rather than taking JSA- all of them said effectively " fuck off thats hard back breaking work that you wouldn't find me doing for that shit pay" - There are just some jobs British workers won't do.

i'd agree about the rates of pay but you have to think if the farmers pay more will the supermarket buyers pay them more for their produce furthermore would shoppers pay appreciably more for their shopping? Consider milk production - already its almost at break even cost - hill farmers can't produce lamb without subsidy - the idea that Brits are all going to step in and do farm work and get £25-30k a year is fanciful ( average full time wage in the uk is just over £35k pa by the way )
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
British people are some of the hardest working people in Europe. There are lots of people doing 12hour shifts (manual labour), fed up of hearing that lazy argument from some

I’d also so these jobs such ‘picking sprouts all day’ are impossible for most people. The wages are incredibly low and not feasible for people with families. If farmers actually want British people to do them maybe they could pay an actual wage or some of these other business’s could think about people rather then cheap labour and profit .....
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My friend, here in Lincolnshire, is head of human resources at a local food operative (they pick and pack veg). He regularly tries, whenever possible, to employ Brits. He will tell you that they don't last long - they pay well above National guidelines but they find it to hard work. A lot of the foreign workers have families over here but they appear to manage.
 
blueparrot said:
I assume farming businesses are paying minimum wage, though they might be taking accomodation costs out, not sure, anyway they wouldn’t choose between paying more for labour and profit, it would be pay more for labour and charge more for the produce. Unless every farm does it it isn’t achievable. Either way I don’t think we have a bigger enough labour market that want to do it whatever the wage, don’t forget a lot of those needing work are in cities so would need to be accommodated in the farms.
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I don’t agree. I think we do have a big enough labour market. These types of jobs a few years ago were done by British people. My sister spent a quite a few summers in a similar type of job as a student. The difference being now, as I mentioned the pay is awful in lots of these places. If you live with a large group of people then it’s maybe achievable.

I’d also say if that’s the state of farming in this country, then it’s not sustainable going forward. Only being able to pay people barely anything -to survive,isn’t good.

The reliance on importing cheap labour and exploiting workers is disgusting. It something surely that you think is wrong. Business’s need to focus on training British people or atleast paying people a decent wage
 
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Fred_Quimby said:
My friend, here in Lincolnshire, is head of human resources at a local food operative (they pick and pack veg). He regularly tries, whenever possible, to employ Brits. He will tell you that they don't last long - they pay well above National guidelines but they find it to hard work. A lot of the foreign workers have families over here but they appear to manage.
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there’s also foreign workers who don’t work hard and find manual labour hard. There’s examples on both sides. It seems to me to just be an easy target to bash British workers all the time.

You say they have families. Well great for them. I’ll do a 12 -14 hour shift then for barely anything. Most places do not offer above minimum wage and regularly exploit workers, which is wrong

I worked in a warehouse about 3 years ago. Majority of people who worked there were British. Some of hardest working people I’ve met. Some in their 60s lifting heavy boxes around all day.

picking and picking veg isn’t exactly a long term career for most people either. I’d have thought for most it’s seasonal and short term. Hence lots of staff turnover. Sales for instance is the same.

fair enough if you disagree though :)
 
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As you are aware I live in Boston, UK. Farming is the main industry around here with fields as far as the eye can see and even further. There is absolutely no shortage of work around here just a shortage of labour. We have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country and one could make the argument that those who are unemployed are those long term who either can't work or are incapable of the hard physical labour required on the land. In the not to distant past workers would come from cities in trucks and buses to work the land when work was short. Those days have gone and, if the truth be known, we have got used to someone else doing the donkey work for us. When I was a teacher the common view amongst children was 'I'm not going to work on the land, that's for foreigners'.
 
Dear Lord are the Remaimers on here still trying to keep us in the EU?
No point in possibly crashing the economy for a 2nd time by extending. We left at the end of December and the transition period ends at the end of December this year.
Anyhow we might not be leaving the EU alone if Corona Bonds are/are not forthcoming. Italy rejected the loan shit that was proposed. As will Spain. Corona bonds or bust for italy, France and Spain. Netherlands and Sweeden won't touch them with a barge pole and Germany and the Visigoth group are not keen either.
 
From Britannia Unchained - look at the sentiment then look at the authors - its a land of milk and honey ahead obvs. Shame on us for liking football eh?

“ The British are among the worst idlers in the world. We work among the lowest hours, we retire early and our productivity is poor. Whereas Indian children aspire to be doctors or businessmen, the British are more interested in football and pop music. ”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_Unchained
 
BlueAnorak said:
Dear Lord are the Remaimers on here still trying to keep us in the EU?
No point in possibly crashing the economy for a 2nd time by extending. We left at the end of December and the transition period ends at the end of December this year.
Anyhow we might not be leaving the EU alone if Corona Bonds are/are not forthcoming. Italy rejected the loan shit that was proposed. As will Spain. Corona bonds or bust for italy, France and Spain. Netherlands and Sweeden won't touch them with a barge pole and Germany and the Visigoth group are not keen either.
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We're trying to work out where our food is coming from.
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
If you translate that into tory it means 'competitive and flexible labour market'. We voted them in so can't really complain now. It's a Tory govt - does what it says on the tin.
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No mandate for ripping up employment rights.
 
Does the EU even still exist ? Hardly heard from them over the last couple of months, apart from them apologising for the fact that no-ones heard from them over the last couple of months.
 
gavvo said:
Does the EU even still exist ? Hardly heard from them over the last couple of months, apart from them apologising for the fact that no-ones heard from them over the last couple of months.
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They don't need to speak to ex-members
 
BobKowalski said:
You have to laugh. Years of abusing them while waving the Brexit flag yet first sign of trouble and it’s snivelling gratitude all of a sudden.

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From those pics it looks like the nice benevolent British farmers have vaccinated them against covid as well as paid the plane fare - no need for social distancing.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Those Poles were there doing doing those very same seasonal jobs, order picking in warehouses and washing cars and the like. The reporter went to the Job Centre Plus and spoke to some lads who were signing on asking why aren't they doing the work rather than taking JSA- all of them said effectively " fuck off thats hard back breaking work that you wouldn't find me doing for that shit pay" - There are just some jobs British workers won't do.
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What infuriates a great deal of the British population, is that the above scenario is one of many we
have seen around the country, and it's not totally connected to agriculture, it applies to many businesses.
For able bodied young men, or women, to be able to wander off to a jobcentre occasionally, to pick up
benefits when work is available is not what welfare is about, I would never do it, most people I know wouldn't,
a bit of hard graft never killed a fit young bloke FFS, these are simply idle, feckless types, who we're indulging.
If there is a job available, locally, do it, or not, nobody's denying free will, but don't expect payment for refusing. Why anyone would want to pick up around £75 a week, when £300+ as a minimum is available with
a bit of graft is beyond me, and anyone saying ''Fuck off I'm not doing that,'' can take their own advice.
 
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