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the Dr Campbell videos have been mentioning vitamin D for quite a while now. He’s even done videos about why it helps. Vitamin D assists against Respiratory issues so he’s been advising everyone to take vitamin D.

It’s also being suggested this could be why darker skinned people are being hit harder as it’s harder for them to produce vitamin C naturally.
Professor Sarah Gilbert who is developing the vaccine shed some light yesterday on why children, men, women and the old show differential responses to the virus.

The Covid19 virus enters human respiratory cells through the ACE 2 receptor on the membrane of these cells, and in children, and women this receptor in much less accessible to the virus has a harder time in replicating inside respiratory tissue. In men and the old, the ACE 2 receptor is available. The word she used was expressed and I am not sure of the exact meaning of that.

If you think back to school, the cell membrane was described as a semi-permeable membrane. It's not just a phospholipid bilayer, it contains ion channels and other receptor sites which allow for the transfer of molecules into and out of the cell, and the virus exploits these sites. It does so through shape, and interatomic interactions (likely electrostatic) that mimic (unintentionally of course) the structure of other molecules. This is based on my understanding not what Prof Gilbert said.

I think black and immigrant communities are disproportionately affected because they are more likely to be in exposed jobs. I think about 20 bus drivers have died in London? A large number will be from immigrant communities. I have three supermarkets near me which I use. In each case all security guard on the door is black. Professor Gilbert did suggest that there might also be genetic factors in immune response so there's likely to be more than one explanation. I believe that many of the genes encoding the body's immune response are on the X chromosome for example.
 
Do you think that the vitd advice which actually assists the immune system would work for or against the attenuation of said immune system?
Most of those admitted to hospital with COVID-19 have low Vit D levels and most have low Pottasium levels. Neither helps the body fight off infections.
Normal Vit D levels promote a healthy immune system, so low Vit D levels will degrade it to some degree. Taking a Vit D supplement wont harm you and may help you should you be unlucky to catch COVID-19.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-d-coronavirus
Low Potassium levels are linked to diabetes and high blood pressure and the ACE2 / COVID-19 protein party lowers it still further. So unless you have a disease that requires a low potassium diet (e.g Kidney disease) having a high potassium diet (potatoes, squashes etc) may help you fight off COVID-19. Talk to your doctor if your worried about this.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...tients_with_Coronavirus_Disease_2019_COVID-19
 
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Advice please.
I know the rules say not, but I want to gauge opinion.
My daughter is a nurse, works really hard and risk is high to her, she currently is very upset that she can’t meet up with her boyfriend even for a walk round a park. She feels that the rules are particularly unfair to her, she drives to work, does 12 hour shifts and comes home stressed. All she wants is a bit of down time to meet her fella on our local park and at least clap eyes on him.
I’m saying no, but feel it’s not the correct decision.
Thoughts
They can meet,go for a walk,just stay a long way apart
 
A minor point, but I don't think antriretroviral drugs 'cure' anything generally, do they?
I thought the HIV drugs act to slow/inhibit the replication of it instead, so it stays at a low level, rather than remove it completely.

Happy to be corrected on that. I suppose a high enough level of antibodies would essentially be a cure by preventing the virus acting at all.
Cure means restore to health.

We're talking here about different types of medicine. A vaccine prevents infection, or enables the body itself to fight infection.

An anti-viral is a medicine artificially introduced into the body to fight the infection. It may only slow the virus down, and buy the body time.
 
Advice please.
I know the rules say not, but I want to gauge opinion.
My daughter is a nurse, works really hard and risk is high to her, she currently is very upset that she can’t meet up with her boyfriend even for a walk round a park. She feels that the rules are particularly unfair to her, she drives to work, does 12 hour shifts and comes home stressed. All she wants is a bit of down time to meet her fella on our local park and at least clap eyes on him.
I’m saying no, but feel it’s not the correct decision.
Thoughts

As tough as it is mate, the answer is no. All it takes is her getting it off her boyfriend and she is passing it round the hospital.
 
That’s untrue I’m afraid. You can’t cure a virus but you can treat one with antiretrovirals that stop it killing people. That’s what Chippy is talking about.

There are two very promising drugs being tested at the minute:

https://www.newsweek.com/remdesivir...l-patients-trial-released-within-week-1498429

And the one GD linked:

https://news.gsu.edu/2020/04/15/geo...hritis-drug-is-effective-against-coronavirus/

I’ve now bought a few quids worth of shares in both.

I’m sure there are probably others that I’ve not read anything about.
I read him wrong,i thought he was meaning cure,we sorted it out,remember me when you get very rich !
 
Professor Sarah Gilbert who is developing the vaccine shed some light yesterday on why children, men, women and the old show differential responses to the virus.

The Covid19 virus enters human respiratory cells through the ACE 2 receptor on the membrane of these cells, and in children, and women this receptor in much less accessible to the virus has a harder time in replicating inside respiratory tissue. In men and the old, the ACE 2 receptor is available. The word she used was expressed and I am not sure of the exact meaning of that.

If she's talking of expression of the ACE-2 receptor, it means that the body cells produce it more. It may be that it appears in a more accessible position in the cell in men for the Covid to enter the cell and cell machinery - (crudely and unscientifically, imagine a six foot wide funnel to catch a tennis ball, in comparison with a one foot wide one).

'Expression' is the standard phrase for a cell producing a protein/peptide.
 
Advice please.
I know the rules say not, but I want to gauge opinion.
My daughter is a nurse, works really hard and risk is high to her, she currently is very upset that she can’t meet up with her boyfriend even for a walk round a park. She feels that the rules are particularly unfair to her, she drives to work, does 12 hour shifts and comes home stressed. All she wants is a bit of down time to meet her fella on our local park and at least clap eyes on him.
I’m saying no, but feel it’s not the correct decision.
Thoughts
Mental health is important. I think the positives outweigh the negatives.
 
Advice please.
I know the rules say not, but I want to gauge opinion.
My daughter is a nurse, works really hard and risk is high to her, she currently is very upset that she can’t meet up with her boyfriend even for a walk round a park. She feels that the rules are particularly unfair to her, she drives to work, does 12 hour shifts and comes home stressed. All she wants is a bit of down time to meet her fella on our local park and at least clap eyes on him.
I’m saying no, but feel it’s not the correct decision.
Thoughts
Tough on all people in relationships who aren't living together. Tell her to Facetime, Whats App, Zoom etc if she wants to see him although she physically can't if you see what I mean. It won't be for ever and hopefully it will make them stronger
 
Something significant happens this week. 3,000 New Yorkers will have a pin-prick blood test for antibodies, with the results due at the end of the week. Perhaps then we can get an idea on the level of immunity and put to bed the concept of herd immunity.

I am struggling with this argument. Most including me were shocked when the UK's defacto leader: The Government's Chief Scientific Adviser to the Government, Sir Patrick Vallance said on the Today program, Radio 4 that,

Our aim is to try and reduce the peak, broaden the peak, not suppress it completely; also, because the vast majority of people get a mild illness, to build up some kind of herd immunity so more people are immune to this disease and we reduce the transmission, at the same time we protect those who are most vulnerable to it. Those are the key things we need to do.

The implication of this strategy is that huge numbers would die and the process of lockdown would go on in phases for 1-2 years. This felt unacceptable. I am not so sure now.

We are now past the peak but we have a spectrum in the range of responses defined by mass-testing. The first wave of the virus caught Italy and Spain unaware and the world scrambled to impose their lockdowns. The virus really was on its way. Some countries went further. The USA and Germany copied South Korea and instigated mass testing programs. It was too late to save New York but there is now a difference in approach between those countries who are adopting mass-testing and those who have not.

The UK we are told now has the virus infectivity rate (R) down to below 1. But are we really trying to depress it down to zero? I don't believe so. If we were, we'd be community testing. The UK deaths are very bad (the graph they show you of deaths is in absolute terms and ignores the fact that the US has a population 5 times the UK), but it's not a simple comparison to make. If you expend huge resources on mass-testing and protect your people from infection in wave one you will have low immunity and will be exposed in the future whereas a country that has experienced controlled infection maybe better protected in the future. This is one of those cases where there are known unknowns whose unknowns will change everything we believe:
  1. Is there a cure? Tentative suggestions there maybe some anti-virals that show good results
  2. Will we have a vaccine and when? August is a possibility. Ironically the most advanced vaccine trials will be slowed down by low infection rates (they need their vaccinated blind trial members to get infected to test the vaccine).

    If a cure or vaccine materialise this Summer. Then the right approach was to do everything to suppress the virus.

  3. What is the antibody rate?
New York's antibody survey will open a window on immunity.

We will soon find out if there is a significant trade off between death and immunity (the protection of future death). The UK has had a sustained controlled infection now. That has led to a high death rate per population but if it's been acquired with the benefit of immunity then that would be significant, and indeed be an argument to proceed with surveillance testing alone, but if immunity levels are very low then we should adopt mass-testing, protect the population and hold out for the vaccine.

At the moment I am pretty convinced that Sir P. Vallance still holds the view that it would be a mistake to totally suppress the virus. I am amazed that no one in the media has asked this very obvious and important question. We should soon find out whether the man had real insight or not. Whether right or not his initial opinion was based on his best understanding, and will have been made in good faith. At the outset many people reeled in horror at his comments but in truth there were too many unknowns at the outset to determine what was the way to go. I think a pragmatic approach to responding to events was best.

Had the world paid attention to South Korea we probably would not have had a problem in the developed world but we are where we are, and the general public might actually find out a lot more about what that world really is this week. I suspect the authorities already have a crude idea about immunity levels.
The idea was to suppress the peak (to stop the NHS being overrun) and protect (isolate) those at risk. Social distancing artificially reduces the virus R0 and self isolation reduces it even further.
A good strategy if we could not contain the virus.

Herd immunity determines the percentage of the population that have to have it to stop epidemic transmission of the virus
Herd Immunity% = (1-(1/R0))*100
Where R0 is the number of people the average person will infect.
If Coronavirus has an R0 of 2.3 then 56.5% herd immunity would burn the virus out An R0 of 3 would require 66.7% to have it.
Measels has an R0 of 12 and herd immunity of 92.7% is required to stop its transmission.
Vaccines are the tool of choice to provide herd immunity but plasma injections from those who have survived are equally effective (though much more expensive to undertake).

Test and trace done by South Korea and Germany to prevent the virus from spreading is a great idea. Sadly though, the UK although good on medical science, does not have a bulk testing industry like Germany (e.g Roche), the US or South Korea has. This means our current ability to test at scale relies on others or building our own industry from scratch. Relying on others is clearly a non starter with a pandemic, so repurposing labs and creating new test facilities are what the UK is doing. I believe we have around 75% of the UKs target test production of 100k a day - but this will only be used when we go over to the offensive. Incidently South Korea built its test capability as a result of its experience with SARS.

The antibody test allows us to determine how many people have had the virus and who has had it. This will allow us to identify how far away we are from herd immunity at a local and national level. It will also allow us to properly calculate R0 and the Mortality rate for the virus. it will also identify who can be released from self isolation.
 
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Advice please.
I know the rules say not, but I want to gauge opinion.
My daughter is a nurse, works really hard and risk is high to her, she currently is very upset that she can’t meet up with her boyfriend even for a walk round a park. She feels that the rules are particularly unfair to her, she drives to work, does 12 hour shifts and comes home stressed. All she wants is a bit of down time to meet her fella on our local park and at least clap eyes on him.
I’m saying no, but feel it’s not the correct decision.
Thoughts
You’re right mate. She can’t do it unfortunately.

At least she’s busy to keep her mind off missing him too much.
 
She can go for a walk with him just miles apart,that is no different to anyone else walking in parks at the moment,just keep moving and from a distance,no?
They’ve not seen each other for ages, they’ll be all over each other ;) (sorry i8, only messing!)
 
Advice please.
I know the rules say not, but I want to gauge opinion.
My daughter is a nurse, works really hard and risk is high to her, she currently is very upset that she can’t meet up with her boyfriend even for a walk round a park. She feels that the rules are particularly unfair to her, she drives to work, does 12 hour shifts and comes home stressed. All she wants is a bit of down time to meet her fella on our local park and at least clap eyes on him.
I’m saying no, but feel it’s not the correct decision.
Thoughts

I don't think seeing him will make her feel any better at all sadly mate. I'm pretty certain what she actually wants from him is a hug, and he's not gonna be able (well, 100% definitely shouldn't at least) to do that, and it'll only break her heart more. My fiance's mum unexpectedly dropped some food off yesterday at ours and she popped down to collect it and said hello from a distance - it broke her to pieces having to stand metres away and not be able to hug her. She was in tears. She was fine beforehand and had been all lockdown! This put her in a sombre mood all morning that she struggled to shake. Felt so sorry for her. It's the worst seeing your relatives or loved ones and not being able to actually be near them.

I might be wrong, but if I was her I reckon that'd feel even more painful. It drives home the distance more than anything when you see them and can't be near them, and it certainly doesn't fix it. Whereas on the phone you can at least ignore that temptation and just know its the right thing to do. I dunno, just one side of it. Naturally its none of my business, but that's just my input. Put it this way, I wanted to do the same thing and see my parents and walk alongside them in a park, but I've decided itll only make me more upset, so im just going to act like im working away for a couple of months, as if we lived in another country. Mental reconditioning haha.
 
The idea was to suppress the peak (to stop the NHS being overrun) and protect (isolate) those at risk.
A good strategy if we could not contain the virus.
56.5% herd immunity would burn the virus out if it had a reproductive rate, R0, of 2.3%. If; however, R0 is higher t is highereof Sadly, R0 is more like 3 than 2.3
HerdcImmunity = 1-(1/R0))*100

Test and trace done by South Korea and Germany to eliminate the virus from spreading is a great idea. Sadly though, the UK although good on medical science, does not have a bulk testing industry like Germany (e.g Roche), the US or South Korea. This means our current ability to test at scale relies on others or building an industry from scratch. Relying on others is clearly a non starter, so repurposing labs and creating new test facilities
Infrastructure is key but it stems from political will. I don't have a clue as to what it takes to construct a lab. but I see the UAE built a lab in 14 days that conducts tens of thousands of reverse transcription-polymerase reaction (RT-PCR) tests per day. They've tested 800k people so far. That's getting on for 10% of their population. I wouldn't be surprised if China or South Korea built the lab for them but the UK are world experts at this stuff. We could do the same if we wanted because we used to have a whole host of public health labs and the UK has a lot of expertise in biotechnology.

We've known what was coming since January. It's not dithering. The main man said he didn't want to suppress the virus so there you go, we're not. Well we are but as you say just to suppress the peak. Going beyond that halts acquisition of immunity..

I subscribe to the idea that immunity comes through a needle but I am wobbling a little. If the study in New York though finds that 30% plus have antibodies then I might change my mind. It will illustrate whether herd immunity is realistically attainable. In 1918 it would have been all we had.
 
Advice please.
I know the rules say not, but I want to gauge opinion.
My daughter is a nurse, works really hard and risk is high to her, she currently is very upset that she can’t meet up with her boyfriend even for a walk round a park. She feels that the rules are particularly unfair to her, she drives to work, does 12 hour shifts and comes home stressed. All she wants is a bit of down time to meet her fella on our local park and at least clap eyes on him.
I’m saying no, but feel it’s not the correct decision.
Thoughts

the really sad thing is, i've just seen a group of teenagers walk by my house - my next door neighbour is still having regular visits by the grandparents to see the kids (despite me reporting to police) and whilst these incidences are in the minority, it is heartbreaking that my Mum has not left her flat once in 5 weeks and that your daughter has to really weigh up to see her boyfreind just for a walk around the park when so many are not bothered.
 
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