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Gelsons Dad said:
and your point is?

If he was symptomatic he would be self isolating. If he was asymptomatic at the time then he was as likely to have it as everyone else who had no symptoms. All 65 million of them. Should they all be tested too?
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He was a doctor. He was self-isolating. Another doctor with a slight cough put it this way: 'Do I stay off work for 7 days, leaving a shortfall of staff and putting further strain on the already strained [healthcare system],” she wrote. “Or do I go to work with my minor cough (as I would normally) and risk potentially spreading COVID-19 to all of the sicker patients I see on a daily basis?”'
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Cite a case of death caused by lack of visor?
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What point are you trying to make? No one has (as far as can be proven) as yet died due to lack of PPE?
So what. Should we then not have PPE. I can't believe that you think this, so what is the point of your comment?
I imagine that we all too much time on our hands. You can be as clever as you like with your super rational debating skills, just not with me.
The answer to my question is Ppe btw.
 
havefaith said:
Finding it hard to comment on the constant change in what's the way forward, surely until theres a vaccine then a lockdown and mass testìng is the way forward.

I believe our lockdown has been half hearted at best, and should have been stronger earlier, I feel for anyone who is having to go out and work during these times.

I feel awful even typing this but I wonder what the statistics are for having contracted covid 19 amongst those who have had to go out to work. I dont just mean frontline workers, but shop workers, bus drivers, construction workers etc, wouldn't, this give us a true reflection of how things currently stand and whether an easing of current measures should even be up for discussion.
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I'm still working mate. I work in the oil gas and water industry, for a pump manufacturer. Feel reasonably safe atm (fingers crossed). We have moved to 3 shifts (no more just day shifts). We all have to stay on are shift, no swapping from one to the other. We dont have any contact with are office staff, they work in a different building. We are all working half an hour less each day. so they can do a deep clean inbetween each shift. Everyone keeping there distance. Probably no worse than shopping, maybe even safer.
 
DrBlueBob said:
What point are you trying to make? No one has (as far as can be proven) as yet died due to lack of PPE?
So what. Should we then not have PPE. I can't believe that you think this, so what is the point of your comment?
I imagine that we all too much time on our hands. You can be as clever as you like with your super rational debating skills, just not with me.
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It's to muddy things, the same reason as any untestable claim is made and then demands made to disprove it. It's a logical game, much loved by those who want to cause trouble.
It only appears rational if you don't challenge the basis of the original claim.

I can tell you that Sound is Purple, and demand that you provide a fact to oppose it. It does not make my claim correct, incorrect or in any way meaningful or useful in and of itself.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
It's to muddy things, the same reason as any untestable claim is made and then demands made to disprove it. It's a logical game, much loved by those who want to cause trouble.
It only appears rational if you don't challenge the basis of the original claim.

I can tell you that Sound is Purple, and demand that you provide a fact to oppose it. It does not make my claim correct, incorrect or in any way meaningful or useful in and of itself.
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Deep?
My dog can fly but only when no one is looking. I need a beer but I have run out. G & T anyone?
 
Prof Whitty at select committee on vaccines

Dictating off the telly word for word,widely available live on all news channels and bbc parliament

There is a vaccine and alternative treatments, like in HIV treatments

Vaccine,the first ? we do not know is do you get natural immunity to this disease for a prolonged period of time,if we don't then it doesn't make a vaccine impossible but it makes it much less likely but we don't simply know that yet,there is a little bit of evidence of some people may have been re-infected with this having had a previous infection,that is slightly concerning situation and some other coronavirus virus immunity wains relatively quickly,so we need to be careful that we don't assume that a vaccine for this disease will be like the measles vaccine that once you have had it you are protected for life,we may or we may not but we have to be absolutely clear about that

It is possible to use a vaccine in a number of different ways,the first is a vaccine that stops you getting infected which we give to the whole population to get population immunity ,this is the only situation i would call herd immunity as a policy aim

The second way is you can have vaccines which are not capable of providing that level of immunity but they provide enough protection that you don't get severe disease,we might get a vaccine that is less effective but is sufficient that if we vaccinated everyone at high risk of dying of this we might be able to mask (i think he said ) mortality even if there was still natural infections

Enormous international effort to get a vaccine but we cannot guarntee success

We are the first country to start human trials

These select committee sessions are really good,you learn so much more than from the daily briefings,loads more but i thought this was the most important bit
 
MillionMilesAway said:
It's to muddy things, the same reason as any untestable claim is made and then demands made to disprove it. It's a logical game, much loved by those who want to cause trouble.
It only appears rational if you don't challenge the basis of the original claim.

I can tell you that Sound is Purple, and demand that you provide a fact to oppose it. It does not make my claim correct, incorrect or in any way meaningful or useful in and of itself.
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Deep Purple?
 
BlueAnorak said:
You know those 10 micron particles that people with the virus give off in the form an aerosol? They can travel for miles.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/24/coronavirus-detected-particles-air-pollution
... and team Whitty and Vallance Vallance don't think we should wear cloth over our faces? Just how much evidence do you jokers need? It's pathetic.
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“The work is preliminary and it is not yet known if the virus remains viable on pollution particles and in sufficient quantity to cause disease...”
 
havefaith said:
Finding it hard to comment on the constant change in what's the way forward, surely until theres a vaccine then a lockdown and mass testìng is the way forward.

I believe our lockdown has been half hearted at best, and should have been stronger earlier, I feel for anyone who is having to go out and work during these times.

I feel awful even typing this but I wonder what the statistics are for having contracted covid 19 amongst those who have had to go out to work. I dont just mean frontline workers, but shop workers, bus drivers, construction workers etc, wouldn't, this give us a true reflection of how things currently stand and whether an easing of current measures should even be up for discussion.
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last count on bus drivers was ten,a few other transport workers but that was a few weeks ago,deaths that is
 
Gelsons Dad said:
and just to wrap this up from my side here is a survey about healthcare workers deaths during covid.

Matches the non-healthcare worker rates. Hence no extra risk.
https://www.hsj.co.uk/exclusive-deaths-of-nhs-staff-from-covid-19-analysed/7027471.article
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Same article?...

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