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kevin horlocks wand said:
Apparently in Germany they record deaths by covid as those who have died of covid or the main cause of death is covid .

you would think between countries like the U.K. , USA , Germany France and other western countries we would have a common formula but I don’t think they do .

I also think the WHO said to record deaths as hospital deaths but (rightly) we now include deaths outside of hospital like care homes .

Do other countries ?
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I've been trying to identify this but there isn't a single article in our press as to what is being recorded and published by which countries.
England, Wales and NI record all hospital COVID-19 related deaths and every Tuesday you get the full picture of all deaths 10 days behind.
Scotland now reports as many COVID-19 deaths as it can from whatever source 3 days in arears and again the full picture of all deaths in a weekly deaths report 10 days behind
Of the rest only Belgium delivers as accurately as it can for all COVID-19 related deaths.
Germany's deaths are only about 40%-50% of the total COVID-19 related deaths as it must be the main cause of death to be so reported.
Italy only does COVID-19 related hospital deaths.
France included Care homes in its daily stats 2 and a half weeks ago.
Spain I haven't got a clue but I seem to recall that it is the same as Italy.
But our journalists are so shit nobody has done an article on what is reported and when in different countries. You know an article that would actually be useful to us plebs.
In the long term comparing excess deaths in 2020 to the average of previous years will be the only way to compare apples with apples.
 
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Not looking back through thread but I’m guessing new ONS weekly data today for all deaths up to 17 April released has been mentioned: 22K for all deaths vs 5 year average of 10K. Week before was 18K vs 10K, before that 16K vs 10, week before that 11K vs 10K.
Never mind these daily hospital death figures, this is the data that gives the real picture.
 
BlueAnorak said:
I've been trying to identify this but there isn't a single article in our press as to what is being recorded and published by which countries.
England, Wales and NI record all hospital COVID-19 related deaths and every Tuesday you get the full picture of all deaths 10 days behind.
Scotland now reports as many COVID-19 deaths as it can from whatever source 3 days in arears and again the full picture of all deaths in a weekly deaths report 10 days behind
Of the rest only Belgium delivers as accurately as it can for all COVID-19 related deaths.
Germany's deaths are only about 40%-50% of the total COVID-19 related deaths as it must be the main cause of death to be so reported.
Italy only does COVID-19 related hospital deaths.
France included Care homes in its daily stats 2 and a half weeks ago.
Spain I haven't got a clue but I seem to recall that it is the same as Italy.
But our journalists are so shit nobody has done an article on what is reported and when in different countries. You know an article that would axtually be useful
In the long term comparing excess deaths in 2020 to the average of previous years will be the only way to compare apples with apples.
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So Belgium's high death count was due to accurate reporting?
 
Just read that 95% of people who died from this virus had underlying health issues wonder if that includes the other 70’s?
 
Claytop said:
Anyone got the headline ONS figures?

I’ll have a look on Twitter if not..
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WE 17th April
Care home deaths 2.66 worse than WE 10th April.
Other excess deaths not much worse than last week in % terms
COVID-19 deaths compared with the previous week (in brackets):
Home 416 (309)
Hospital 6,107 (4,727)
Hoapice 103 (51)
Care Home 2,050 (768)
Other CE 41 (17)
Elsewhere 41 (27)
 
Just a thought on how CV acts and the way deaths are reported.
We are told that the vulnerable are the elderly and those with underlying conditions, yet there are deaths outside this description. I wonder if these deaths occur because of unknown health conditions irrespective of age?
We know CV may attack organs of young recoverers re reports from USA so is it possible that it simply looks for vulnerabilities in all it infects rather than just concentrating on just lung problems?
 
Vic said:
So Belgium's high death count was due to accurate reporting?
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More accurate reporting yes - though it still doesnt include excess deaths and for the weeks available. it's also still slightly worse than us per head of population - but that's to be expected as it is one of the densest populated countries in Europe (with pop 2m or higher).
Population density is one of the biggest kill factors for COViD-19 and only Athens has avoided it so far. Moscow is getting pummeled at the moment and its 2-3 weeks behind us in the cycle.
 
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shevtheblue said:
Pretty fucked up they're injecting monkeys with high doses of a virus that is killing people. No wonder there's nut-job animal activists.
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Yep. This fucked up notion that we are somehow 'superior' and therefore more important than other species. The sooner the human race is gone, the better.
 
Morbid stat and I think the only fully comparable records go back to 1993 but the recently published weekly death toll is now worse than the Hong Kong flu number in 1970 and I think (could be wrong) the worst figures since WWII. That should tell anyone with a brain that this is worse than your yearly flu outbreak and that's with the country half in lockdown.
 
Fame Monster said:
Morbid stat and I think the only fully comparable records go back to 1993 but the recently published weekly death toll is now worse than the Hong Kong flu number in 1970 and I think (could be wrong) the worst figures since WWII. That should tell anyone with a brain that this is worse than your yearly flu outbreak and that's with the country half in lockdown.
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Left or right leg?
 
BlueAnorak said:
I've been trying to identify this but there isn't a single article in our press as to what is being recorded and published by which countries.
England, Wales and NI record all hospital COVID-19 related deaths and every Tuesday you get the full picture of all deaths 10 days behind.
Scotland now reports as many COVID-19 deaths as it can from whatever source 3 days in arears and again the full picture of all deaths in a weekly deaths report 10 days behind
Of the rest only Belgium delivers as accurately as it can for all COVID-19 related deaths.
Germany's deaths are only about 40%-50% of the total COVID-19 related deaths as it must be the main cause of death to be so reported.
Italy only does COVID-19 related hospital deaths.
France included Care homes in its daily stats 2 and a half weeks ago.
Spain I haven't got a clue but I seem to recall that it is the same as Italy.
But our journalists are so shit nobody has done an article on what is reported and when in different countries. You know an article that would actually be useful to us plebs.
In the long term comparing excess deaths in 2020 to the average of previous years will be the only way to compare apples with apples.
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Got a source for that Germany point? I’ve seen it mentioned several times but never clarified.
 
Claytop said:
Got a source for that Germany point? I’ve seen it mentioned several times but never clarified.
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well given they have slightly more cases than we have in the uk . It can only be either

they record Covid deaths a lot more strictly than we do . As in die of Covid, not with Covid as we do; or

Our uk doctors and nurses in the nhs are a lot poorer at treating this than their German equivalents.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
well given they have slightly more cases than we have in the uk . It can only be either

they record Covid deaths a lot more strictly than we do . As in die of Covid, not with Covid as we do; or

Our uk doctors and nurses in the nhs are a lot poorer at treating this than their German equivalents.
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Typical Germans just wanting to be seen as being better than everyone else.
 
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