COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Manc Born & Bred]

There are other demographics involved I would think. They areas rather than hospitals in the per 100k tables,

I accept there are other demographics involved although it had me wondering. It's the NHS trusts the figures refer to.

 

[Fame Monster]

well given they have slightly more cases than we have in the uk . It can only be either

they record Covid deaths a lot more strictly than we do . As in die of Covid, not with Covid as we do; or

Our uk doctors and nurses in the nhs are a lot poorer at treating this than their German equivalents.

Up until a few days ago, virtually all of the people we tested were in a hospital setting. Germany have been testing people outside of a hospital setting for a lot longer meaning positive cases aren't necessarily those who are at death's door which explains their far superior survival rate rather than needing to make any assumptions about the relative quality of their doctors or nurses.

I still haven't seen any evidence, despite it being mentioned countless times, that the Germans are recording COD differently to us

 

[Claytop]

well given they have slightly more cases than we have in the uk . It can only be either

they record Covid deaths a lot more strictly than we do . As in die of Covid, not with Covid as we do; or

Our uk doctors and nurses in the nhs are a lot poorer at treating this than their German equivalents.

It was noticeable that there was no data for Germany’s excess deaths on the FT graphs. I think I read that it should be released soon so maybe that will give us more of an indication.

One reason I read for Germany’s low death total is that a lot of their early infections were amongst younger people who had come back from Italy which bought them abit of time to prepare.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The Greek figures probably are incredible. There’s very little chance they will be close to accurate.

I remember reading during the 2008 financial crisis that swimming pools at homes in Greece attract a state tax and that there were only a couple of thousand registered in the whole country! In fucking Greece.

I think they have a pretty chilled out attitude to record keeping and compliance!

Edit: just found this. It was 324 in Athens!

https://boingboing.net/2010/05/04/satellite-photos-cat.html

 

[Mon Autre]

The Greek figures probably are incredible. There’s very little chance they will be close to accurate.

To be fair, Greece acted decisively and swiftly, so im not that surprised.

I have a friend who lives in Athens who I visited in mid March. I started keeping an eye on what was happening there in the run up and they closed all of their schools in early
March before they had even hit 50 cases.

On my second day there the country went into full lock down. It went from bars and restaurants being open to a ghost town over night and everyone adjusted to it really well. People were queuing and socially distancing at shops right away.

Their numbers were always behind ours (for various reasons) but they acted much earlier and more rigorously. On the day I left the rules changed again and anyone entering the country had to quarantine for two weeks.

It was quite jarring arriving home and seeing life going on as usual here given our numbers were worse and our population density more conducive to spreading disease more quickly. I essentially quarantined myself for two weeks when I arrived back because the landscape had changed so much in the space of a week. I felt Greece had been a much safer place to be than here but thought I should take precautions given I'd passed through an airport.

Anyway tl:dr Greece's numbers are impressive but not surprising as they took it really seriously much earlier than us (plus other factors too such as population size/density)

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I remember reading during the 2008 financial crisis that swimming pools at homes in Greece attract a state tax and that there were only a couple of thousand registered in the whole country! In fucking Greece.

I think they have a pretty chilled out attitude to record keeping and compliance!

Edit: just found this. It was 324 in Athens!

https://boingboing.net/2010/05/04/satellite-photos-cat.html

That’s the way I see it too, Duncan. I might be a tad bias because I helped 3 Greeks to get into the game earlier this season against Spurs and it turned into a bit of a saga

I had sprained ankles so I had demolished some Jamaican Stouts and a pack of painkillers to get to the game. Otherwise I might have let them watch the game from Mary D’s!!

 

[antspider]

Just read that 95% of people who died from this virus had underlying health issues wonder if that includes the other 70’s?

By the time you get to 70 you more than likely have at least one “underlying health issue”

 

[Tim of the Oak]

To be fair, Greece acted decisively and swiftly, so im not that surprised.

I have a friend who lives in Athens who I visited in mid March. I started keeping an eye on what was happening there in the run up and they closed all of their schools in early
March before they had even hit 50 cases.

On my second day there the country went into full lock down. It went from bars and restaurants being open to a ghost town over night and everyone adjusted to it really well. People were queuing and socially distancing at shops right away.

Their numbers were always behind ours (for various reasons) but they acted much earlier and more rigorously. On the day I left the rules changed again and anyone entering the country had to quarantine for two weeks.

It was quite jarring arriving home and seeing life going on as usual here given our numbers were worse and our population density more conducive to spreading disease more quickly. I essentially quarantined myself for two weeks when I arrived back because the landscape had changed so much in the space of a week. I felt Greece had been a much safer place to be than here but thought I should take precautions given I'd passed through an airport.

Anyway tl:dr Greece's numbers are impressive but not surprising as they took it really seriously much earlier than us (plus other factors too such as population size/density)

That’s helpful to know and maybe I was a bit unfair to the Greeks. That said, they do have a track record of underreporting in other areas as GDM pointed out.

 

[Mon Autre]

That’s helpful to know and maybe I was a bit unfair to the Greeks. That said, they do have a track record of underreporting in other areas as GDM pointed out.

True, and I think there's room for all countries to be creative with their figures. But all in all, I think their numbers will nonetheless be quite good. They nipped it in the bud and they stuck to it. It struck me as a brave move to close down when they did as the people there have suffered so much since the economic crash. It was really sad seeing people having to close their businesses when they are so dependent on tourism but I think they will be able to look at what's happened in other countries and feel that it was at least worth it in the short term.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

I remember reading during the 2008 financial crisis that swimming pools at homes in Greece attract a state tax and that there were only a couple of thousand registered in the whole country! In fucking Greece.

I think they have a pretty chilled out attitude to record keeping and compliance!

Edit: just found this. It was 324 in Athens!

https://boingboing.net/2010/05/04/satellite-photos-cat.html

That was more private individuals avoiding the new tax sweeps the government were introducing as people were declaring ridiculous levels of incomes. Not sure the Greek government have that much to gain with fiddling the numbers to that extent seeing as some other countries (no names mentioned) have demonstrated that this is not conducive to the global effort in collating and analysing the data we need. Think they've done ok with the migrant camps on their door step as well after Turkey decided to open the gates again earlier this year.

Remember that incident with the pools as we thought it might happen here and we had already started designs on a green pool cover with plant pots to put on top of them. Not needed in the end :-) Shout out to the Portuguese government as well as I thought they would proper screw this up but like the Greeks got their house in order well in advance and have reaped the benefits to date.

 

[kaz7]

I didn't like Nicola S before,one trick pony but now I really like her,she doesn't just repeat words like our ministers do,she fleshes it out and I feel like she is saying if you don't stick to the rules i will come round you house and give you a glascow kiss

 

[BlueHammer85]

I didn't like Nicola S before,one trick pony but now I really like her,she doesn't just repeat words like our ministers do,she fleshes it out and I feel like she is saying if you don't stick to the rules i will come round you house and give you a glascow kiss

she's a very good speaker and politician

 

[kaz7]

Interesting article from a very reputable magazine, Health Service Journal https://www.hsj.co.uk/news/coronavi...h-wests-recovery-gathers-pace/7027212.article

Also shows that the two hospitals who have the most deaths per 100,000 people are based in the Midlands. Wonder if that has a direct correlation to Villa fans being at Wembley?

I suspect so,at the time one person was infecting six, i think around Cheltenham had a spike as well,it was a big fuck up to let mass gatherings go on so long in the pursuit of herd immunity

 

[bluemonkey71]

Looks like the testing kits can go in the bin. My mates dad was tested twice at the hospital and they came back negative and sent home. Friend wasn’t convinced so he went back again and forced them to do a scan on his lungs and lo and behold. He’s now on a ventilator.

 

[shemnel]

I didn't like Nicola S before,one trick pony but now I really like her,she doesn't just repeat words like our ministers do,she fleshes it out and I feel like she is saying if you don't stick to the rules i will come round you house and give you a glascow kiss

she gets an amazing amount of stick from a lot of english people, i'm not so sure why, i think she's half competent

 

[PragueBlue]

Looks like the testing kits can go in the bin. My mates dad was tested twice at the hospital and they came back negative and sent home. Friend wasn’t convinced so he went back again and forced them to do a scan on his lungs and lo and behold. He’s now on a ventilator.

A test only tells you if you have it at the time. You can not have it one minute and catch it 5 mins later I assume. Maybe was negative initially but then caught it at the hospital.

 

[kaz7]

she's a very good speaker and politician

Yeah she is very clear and I don't feel like she is sugar coating it and fudging things,i like that approach

 

[BlueAnorak]

Interesting article from a very reputable magazine, Health Service Journal https://www.hsj.co.uk/news/coronavi...h-wests-recovery-gathers-pace/7027212.article

Also shows that the two hospitals who have the most deaths per 100,000 people are based in the Midlands. Wonder if that has a direct correlation to Villa fans being at Wembley?

University Hospital Birmingham is a massive hospital - two and a bit times the size of Wythenshaw.
Sandwell & City is actually a two hospital trust as well so its numbers are pretty low.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Why has there been no relaxation of the lockdown but every hour I check the news and b@ q opening, now Homebase.

mcdonalds opening, Nando’s now Burger King.

fuck it shall I just go fishing.

 

[bluemonkey71]

A test only tells you if you have it at the time. You can not have it one minute and catch it 5 mins later I assume. Maybe was negative initially but then caught it at the hospital.

Nope he was coughing and temperature for days before. They basically dropped the ball