COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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blueparrot said:
correct , though one of the idiot jounalists asking about beer gardens if they are outside opening, doesnt help.
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No it doesn't considering you still have to go in and buy your drink,mind you wouldn't put it past him to bring his staff out from the safety ish of behind the bar and make them take the drinks out
 
karen7 said:
Dr from Columbia university mailman school of public health on sky news

Asked if there is any proof of immunity ? No not yet
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They're talking about permenent immunity to the current strain. You and I will be immune for at least 6 months.
 
Academica said:
THE CORONAVIRUS pandemic means that many summer holidays have been cancelled. Balearic Islands including Ibiza and Majorca could still be open for holidays in August but British holidaymakers are facing a long-term ban from travelling due to the UK's "delayed" lockdown.
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Perhaps the silver lining will be an upsurge in UK holidays, because our own tourist industry is on the ropes.
 
Could our actual economy cope with very little air travel for say the next year or so.
I should imagine that generates billions
 
ganganvince said:
Table service order and pay via app is a possible way round that.
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I just edited my post about bringing staff out from behind the bar and make them take the drinks out,also we are not allowed to mix with people outside that are not From our household or sit in groups,this would never work
 
BlueAnorak said:
They're talking about permenent immunity to the current strain. You and I will be immune for at least 6 months.
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NOBODY repuatble (sp) in the world is telling any patient you are immune,for five minute,six months or a year,including the WHO ,they assumed we would at the start based on other viruses,a guess is no use to anyone especially with people testing positive a second or third time
 
marco said:
spoons on about opening up now,when will they bloody realise,how can you observe distance in a pub with a load of pissed up people,hope that brand goes bust
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The sooner that twat goes bust the better. And sorry in advance for the staff affected.
 
Right here's an article on the subject of immunity.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/20...nity-and-antibodies-and-plenty-we-still-dont/
So...
If you had it and have recovered you WILL be immune for a certain amount of time. Up to 2 years for most viruses if you generated a lot of anti bodies to fight off the virus.
However as time progresses the number of these antibodies in your blood declines. (The cells gradually die and are removed by the bodies dead cell clean up squad).
So the two questions that follow are:

1. How long will antibodies persist in the blood? For those who were ill or very ill it will be at least 6 months, but what about those who produced very few antibodies because they were barely ill?
For SARS and MERS the antibodies hung around for 2 years. For Coronavirus they dont know and won't know for a long time.

2. Can the body generate new antibodies quickly if you get reinfected with the same or a similar strain reinfected you. This is the big question that WHO are so concerned about. Some viruses, like Small Pox barely change in terms of the keys they use to infect cells. Others like the common cold and flu are constantly changing.
 
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karen7 said:
I just edited my post about bringing staff out from behind the bar and make them take the drinks out,also we are not allowed to mix with people outside that are not From our household or sit in groups,this would never work
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Especially if it rained but he is mad enough to try
 
Claytop said:
This has been updated today, I assume they are using figures released by the ONS yesterday for us. We’re still climbing, although I think there’s belief we will see a fall in next Tuesdays figures.

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I think this is a pretty good measure although the 27,000 figure is only up to the W/C April 13 I think so if the projections are true that we've had over 45,000 excess deaths up to today, I think we will continue to see a big rise in excess mortality on that chart.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Write here's an article on the subject of immunity.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/20...nity-and-antibodies-and-plenty-we-still-dont/
So...
If you had it and have recovered you WILL be immune for a certain amount of time. Up to 2 years if you generated a lot of anti bodies.
However as time progresses the number of these antibodies in your blood declines. (The cells gradually die and are removed by the bodies dead cell clean up squad).
So the two questions that follow are:

1. How long will antibodies persist in the blood? For those who were ill or very ill it will be at least 6 months, but what about those who produced very few antibodies because they were barely I'll?
For SARS and MERS the antibodies hung around for 2 years. For Coronavirus they dont know and won't know for a long time.

2. Can the body generate new antibodies quickly if you get reinfected with tge same ir a similar strain. This is the big question that WHO are so concerned about.
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Sorry but there is huge questions over the amount of antibodies,the quality of antibodies etc,some studies have shown different age groups don't produce them

I come back to my point,nobody will say to any patient you are immune, off you go,there is no antibody test anywhere in the world specific enough to tell patients they are immune,prof whitty two days ago and scientist in the states,the WHO

The day we know for sure is the day immunity passports will be rolled out

The don't know why people are getting reinfected,prof whitty says that data is small but concerning,they all say it is new and surprising and we are still learning

Antibody tests are being used for studies into the population and collecting data purposes not for any individual patient because they don't know for sure yet
 
karen7 said:
Sorry but there is huge questions over the amount of antibodies,the quality of antibodies etc,some studies have shown different age groups don't produce them

I come back to my point,nobody will say to any patient you are immune, off you go,there is no antibody test anywhere in the world specific enough to tell patients they are immune,prof whitty two days ago and scientist in the states

The day we know for sure is the day immunity passports will be rolled out

Antibody tests are being used for studies into the population and collecting data purposes not for any individual patient because they don't know for sure yet
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Your argument is like asking how many angels dance on the head of a pin.
You produced a lot of antibodies your immune for 6 months. Those who weren't that ill? Well who knows. Now we have an antibody test, we'll start to find out the truth of it. Antibodies = Immunity
 
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