COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[grunge]

Your body killed the virus so you won't be able to infect others once you have recovered (2 weeks after last symptoms).

isn't that still well up in the air? with the people that thought they were reinfected weeks later suggests either reinfection or the virus lingers for 5/6 weeks post symptoms in some cases?

 

[birchwoodgingerste]

This is exactly what we do not know and we have no antibody test in the world that drs will give individual patient advice based on as to immunity,there are cases of a second infections ,although small but concerning to prof whitty,we also think you are only contagious for one week,please report back what she is told if it comes back positive again,tag me please

Will do kaz

 

[BlueAnorak]

BTW I say 6 months at least because the Newsnight discussion referred to Chinese patients who were ill or seriously ill in early January and their blood currently still had solid numbers of antibodies in it to prevent reinfection and the numbers had not dropped significantly. So immunity for those who were ill or seriously ill is NOT short term.
Strain A of course, not strain B, but they are not that different.

 

[Claytop]

Just in case anyone missed it, updated FT figures for excess deaths.

 

[kaz7]

Your argument is like asking how many angels dance on the head of a pin.
You produced a lot of antibodies your immune for 6 months. Those who weren't that ill? Well who knows. Now we have an antibody test, we'll start to find out the truth of it. Antibodies = Immunity

You need to read your own link

Who decides how ill is ill enough to produce enough antibodies for meaningful protection? Would you put your neck on the line to tell somebody with a mild case that they are immune or me who had it bad and tested positive,no because no scientist will do it,yet,studies show some age group,the younger ones produce none or low amounts,it is still up in the air

We just do not know for sure with this virus because The science is not there yet to be sure,do not assume because you had it that you have enough antibodies to protect you,especially whilst there are people getting reinfected,we have only had this virus for three months so your six months just doesn't hold up,every scientist is saying immunity will be not be certain until patients have been tested and retested over the course of a year plus

 

[BlueAnorak]

As of today THERE IS a cheap antibody test.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...l-news-europe-uk-accuracy-abbot-a9490026.html
Porton Down and various uiversities can always check for antibodies with the machines they have.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Right here's an article on the subject of immunity.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/20...nity-and-antibodies-and-plenty-we-still-dont/
So...
If you had it and have recovered you WILL be immune for a certain amount of time. Up to 2 years for most viruses if you generated a lot of anti bodies to fight off the virus.
However as time progresses the number of these antibodies in your blood declines. (The cells gradually die and are removed by the bodies dead cell clean up squad).
So the two questions that follow are:

1. How long will antibodies persist in the blood? For those who were ill or very ill it will be at least 6 months, but what about those who produced very few antibodies because they were barely ill?
For SARS and MERS the antibodies hung around for 2 years. For Coronavirus they dont know and won't know for a long time.

2. Can the body generate new antibodies quickly if you get reinfected with the same or a similar strain reinfected you. This is the big question that WHO are so concerned about. Some viruses, like Small Pox barely change in terms of the keys they use to infect cells. Others like the common cold and flu are constantly changing.

level of protective immunity from these antibodies has yet to be established - that has to be on the list

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

https://www.skysports.com/football/...t-to-recover-over-a-month-after-positive-test
Is this down to shoddy tests or shoddy testing? It seems to have gone way off the script with this one.

 

[kaz7]

As of today THERE IS a cheap antibody test.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-antibody-test-approval-news-europe-uk-accuracy-abbot-a9

As of today THERE IS a cheap antibody test.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...l-news-europe-uk-accuracy-abbot-a9490026.html
Porton Down and various uiversities can always check for antibodies with the machines they have.

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Porton Down and various uiversities can always check for antibodies with the machines they have.

From this link

Dr Simon Clarke, associate professor in cellular microbiology at the University of Reading told The Independent the development of the test was “very significant”.
He said: “The test tells you whether you have ever been exposed to the virus and generated an immune response. What it can’t do is tell you whether you’re immune or not.“Having antibodies in and of itself does not give you protective immunity, it might do, but we don’t know that.. because coronavirus is so new scientists still have no idea if immunity will last after infection.Dr Clarke added the test was useful to authorities because it showed “how the virus has moved through the population” but added “for the general public it of no immediate utility

In other words please don't assume, I am not going to,wait to be told,just stick to the rules

 

[Fame Monster]

Worldometers have added on the latest ONS release to the UK if anyone looks at their website.

Also, South America looks like it's becoming the next epicentre of the outbreak. Brazil and Ecuador reporting some high figures.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

[Claytop]

Worldometers have added on the latest ONS release to the UK if anyone looks at their website.

Also, South America looks like it's becoming the next epicentre of the outbreak. Brazil and Ecuador reporting some high figures.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Tallies with the dreadful reports that came out saying bodies have been left for days on the streets.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

2 weeks behind italy and Spain, 1 week behind France. That's not a month.
There won't be holidays to these places this year.

You dont know that for sure.
It's not right for people to think about holidays at the moment but these destinations will need a boost later in the year and will want tourists including UK.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Could our actual economy cope with very little air travel for say the next year or so.
I should imagine that generates billions

Adapt, people should be flying less anyway.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

isn't that still well up in the air? with the people that thought they were reinfected weeks later suggests either reinfection or the virus lingers for 5/6 weeks post symptoms in some cases?

Yes.
He’s talking rubbish.

 

[marco]

You dont know that for sure.
It's not right for people to think about holidays at the moment but these destinations will need a boost later in the year and will want tourists including UK.

i would love to get to tenerife in november but quite honestly cant see it, distance alone is going to have a massive impact with planes, Ryanir have said if they have to leave middle seats empty they will not operate so due to that fact alone if they did get started the costs would hit the roof because of the Ryanair competition not existing,November 21 is more realistic

 

[BlueAnorak]

This no-immunity stuff really is scientists protecting their own arses to the ultimate degree.
The chances of those who have been ill or worse (not just a cough and/or fever either) of NOT being immune for a good few months are infinitesimally small. You probably have more chance of getting 5 numbers on the National Lottery (1 in 144,415 before you ask).
As to those who where barely ill or asymptomatic, well that's another story altogether. Many had very few antibodies after recovering.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

i would love to get to tenerife in november but quite honestly cant see it, distance alone is going to have a massive impact with planes, Ryanir have said if they have to leave middle seats empty they will not operate so due to that fact alone if they did get started the costs would hit the roof because of the Ryanair competition not existing,November 21 is more realistic

I'm meant to be going in October but I'd say its 50/50. But yes I agree with your points but the government must not forget about the tourism and leisure industries.
Sooner or later they will have to start them up again or else their wont be any planes to take people anywhere.

 

[Fame Monster]

Tallies with the dreadful reports that came out saying bodies have been left for days on the streets.

Very sad but it looks unstoppable now in Ecuador, Brazil, and Peru.

 

[True_Blue69]

As of today THERE IS a cheap antibody test.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...l-news-europe-uk-accuracy-abbot-a9490026.html
Porton Down and various uiversities can always check for antibodies with the machines they have.

Been around for a couple of weeks as I said last week after people I know had been tested at a private clinic in town. Obviously got shot down by the usual Bluemoon professionals but glad it's finally been approved. Like I said testing for IgM and IgG, doctors were pretty confident that by testing positive for the antibodies you will have at least short term immunity.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Been around for a couple of weeks as I said last week after people I know had been tested at a private clinic in town. Obviously got shot down by the usual Bluemoon professionals but glad it's finally been approved. Like I said testing for IgM and IgG, doctors were pretty confident that by testing positive for the antibodies you will have at least short term immunity.

4-6 months depending on the number of antibodies.
The big issue is what happens when your body flushes these antibodies out of your system? Do your antibody factories have the template to make more if required.