Has anyone ever expended so much time and effort blaming other people's supposed lack of understanding for their own refusal to offer an argument?
Trump maybe...
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Has anyone ever expended so much time and effort blaming other people's supposed lack of understanding for their own refusal to offer an argument?
Trump maybe...
Ifwecouldjust.......
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I'll see your Barnier baa and raise you a Gove baa.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...news-EU-latest-UK-fishing-water-fisheries/amp
Our fishing fleet is all in port because they can't currently sell to European markets. If we don't do a deal, we get exclusive access to UK waters, but where do we sell the fish?
Where do we sell it to presently? (ignore covid)
We wont be able to sell it if no deal is done and they impose tariffs as the fleet operating out of Scotland and fishing the 'exclusive' British waters wont be able to sell as cheaply as the fleet operating out of Northern Ireland.
You see the problem here?
journolud
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I may have mentioned this before...…...….
People appear to not even understand the basics - yet they still post to emphasise that fact
I don’t think you could ever be accused of repeating yourself
Ancient Citizen
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No, because your whole argument is predicated on tariffs being imposed.We wont be able to sell it if no deal is done and they impose tariffs as the fleet operating out of Scotland and fishing the 'exclusive' British waters wont be able to sell as cheaply as the fleet operating out of Northern Ireland.
You see the problem here?
Good luck you fish exporters. Here's what you'll need for export to the EU:
Listing as an approved exporter to the EU
Operators exporting fish or other products of animal origin to the EU will need to ensure that hygiene standards meet EU requirements. Operators need to liaise with Food Standards Agency to ensure their health standards are approved as EU
equivalent (so that they are included on an EU list of approved operators exporting to the EU).
Catch certificate - a new digital catch certificate service (beta version) from Defra is now live; exporters are encouraged to register now in preparation for a no-deal situation
Exporters need to understand the purpose and content of an EHC and any accompanying documentation. An EHC application form can be easily downloaded through GOV.UK and sent to the relevant authority.
(And if we managed to expand our fishing fleet to fish in "our" waters - presumably with mostly foreign-owned boats and immigrant crews - that fish would mostly have to be landed in EU ports.)
Listing as an approved exporter to the EU
Operators exporting fish or other products of animal origin to the EU will need to ensure that hygiene standards meet EU requirements. Operators need to liaise with Food Standards Agency to ensure their health standards are approved as EU
equivalent (so that they are included on an EU list of approved operators exporting to the EU).
Catch certificate - a new digital catch certificate service (beta version) from Defra is now live; exporters are encouraged to register now in preparation for a no-deal situation
Exporters need to understand the purpose and content of an EHC and any accompanying documentation. An EHC application form can be easily downloaded through GOV.UK and sent to the relevant authority.
(And if we managed to expand our fishing fleet to fish in "our" waters - presumably with mostly foreign-owned boats and immigrant crews - that fish would mostly have to be landed in EU ports.)
Ancient Citizen
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Good luck to the EU never being able to sell anything whatsoever to the UK.Good luck you fish exporters. Here's what you'll need for export to the EU:
Listing as an approved exporter to the EU
Operators exporting fish or other products of animal origin to the EU will need to ensure that hygiene standards meet EU requirements. Operators need to liaise with Food Standards Agency to ensure their health standards are approved as EU
equivalent (so that they are included on an EU list of approved operators exporting to the EU).
Catch certificate - a new digital catch certificate service (beta version) from Defra is now live; exporters are encouraged to register now in preparation for a no-deal situation
Exporters need to understand the purpose and content of an EHC and any accompanying documentation. An EHC application form can be easily downloaded through GOV.UK and sent to the relevant authority.
(And if we managed to expand our fishing fleet to fish in "our" waters - presumably with mostly foreign-owned boats and immigrant crews - that fish would mostly have to be landed in EU ports.)
Ifwecouldjust.......
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No, because your whole argument is predicated on tariffs being imposed.
They've already indicated that tariffs will be imposed.
You might want to try to understand the basics of why people don't make much effort to engage with youHas anyone ever expended so much time and effort blaming other people's supposed lack of understanding for their own refusal to offer an argument?
Trump maybe...
Ancient Citizen
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They've 'indicated' many things, my belief is we'll get a free trade agreement, there is no appetiteThey've already indicated that tariffs will be imposed.
for reprisals and pointless restrictions, business everywhere is desperate to start up in earnest,
the likes of Barnier and the Brussels bureaucracy are fast becoming an irrelevance.
But we'll see who's right, and yet again, I don't think it will be you, if you are, I'll acknowledge
that.
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They've already indicated that tariffs will be imposed.
They have said lots that never came to pass.
Chance of the UK and the EU not trading with each other post brexit was 0.01%
Post brexit/covid-19 its 0%
Money and economies will talk and the politicians will do the walk.
A FTA will be agreed.
Because I'm right and it's easier not to admit it?You might want to try to understand the basics of why people don't make much effort to engage with you
No. It's just you that doesn't engage.
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Good luck you fish exporters. Here's what you'll need for export to the EU:
Listing as an approved exporter to the EU
Operators exporting fish or other products of animal origin to the EU will need to ensure that hygiene standards meet EU requirements. Operators need to liaise with Food Standards Agency to ensure their health standards are approved as EU
equivalent (so that they are included on an EU list of approved operators exporting to the EU).
Catch certificate - a new digital catch certificate service (beta version) from Defra is now live; exporters are encouraged to register now in preparation for a no-deal situation
Exporters need to understand the purpose and content of an EHC and any accompanying documentation. An EHC application form can be easily downloaded through GOV.UK and sent to the relevant authority.
(And if we managed to expand our fishing fleet to fish in "our" waters - presumably with mostly foreign-owned boats and immigrant crews - that fish would mostly have to be landed in EU ports.)
I'd imagine as we import most of the fish we eat, and the EU import most of ours there is an economic incentive to reach some sort of adult compromise? Basically annual agreements over access to our own waters and quotas on EU vessels catches set by us. This is what Norway do.Good luck you fish exporters. Here's what you'll need for export to the EU:
Listing as an approved exporter to the EU
Operators exporting fish or other products of animal origin to the EU will need to ensure that hygiene standards meet EU requirements. Operators need to liaise with Food Standards Agency to ensure their health standards are approved as EU
equivalent (so that they are included on an EU list of approved operators exporting to the EU).
Catch certificate - a new digital catch certificate service (beta version) from Defra is now live; exporters are encouraged to register now in preparation for a no-deal situation
Exporters need to understand the purpose and content of an EHC and any accompanying documentation. An EHC application form can be easily downloaded through GOV.UK and sent to the relevant authority.
(And if we managed to expand our fishing fleet to fish in "our" waters - presumably with mostly foreign-owned boats and immigrant crews - that fish would mostly have to be landed in EU ports.)
Well, yes, but even if the Commission fancied a compromise (i.e. annual agreement rather than a permanent deal on quotas) it now has to persuade every member state to agree.I'd imagine as we import most of the fish we eat, and the EU import most of ours there is an economic incentive to reach some sort of adult compromise? Basically annual agreements over access to our own waters and quotas on EU vessels catches set by us. This is what Norway do.
Let me just say how nice it is to engage with somebody willing to engage rather than suffer interminable mind-numbing posts about "not understanding".
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Ancient Citizen
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It's politicians, as you say, pettifogging EU restrictive practices are now a thing of the past.They have said lots that never came to pass.
Chance of the UK and the EU not trading with each other post brexit was 0.01%
Post brexit/covid-19 its 0%
Money and economies will talk and the politicians will do the walk.
A FTA will be agreed.
We wont be able to sell it if no deal is done and they impose tariffs as the fleet operating out of Scotland and fishing the 'exclusive' British waters wont be able to sell as cheaply as the fleet operating out of Northern Ireland.
You see the problem here?
Another problem, if German, Danish and Dutch don't get access to UK waters, is that no one else is geared up to catch the cod from those waters, so the price will go up (but then if that means we eat less cod that's good for cod stocks).
We can now develop our own pettifogging restrictive practices. Sod all those "British Standard" numbers.It's politicians, as you say, pettifogging EU restrictive practices are now a thing of the past.
The Light Was Yellow Sir
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Given the state of US and China relations and the inevitable risks to free trade, understanding that proximity is the greatest driver of trade and looking at what will be the likely biggest economic challenge ever, why don’t we just sign up to the customs union or, even better, make a proposal for the radical overhaul of the EU into a ‘common market’ and rejoin?
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Because that is the UK re-writing the rules of the EU to suit itself and the EU doesn't want a UK dominated EU. The heads of the EU wants the nations of Europe to follow the same rules, economically and politically.Given the state of US and China relations and the inevitable risks to free trade, understanding that proximity is the greatest driver of trade and looking at what will be the likely biggest economic challenge ever, why don’t we just sign up to the customs union or, even better, make a proposal for the radical overhaul of the EU into a ‘common market’ and rejoin?
It's been the EU's main criticism of us for the past 30 years. We tried asking them for reforms, remember, and what were we told? "Don't like it, then veto". Here's a better idea; how about the EU disbands and the nations of Europe group together to become nothing more than a tarriff free trading bloc. Wait, we tried that didn't we, and look how it panned out.
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Remember that Aaron Banks chappie, loudly lambasted for electoral fraud?
Been found not guilty.
Been found not guilty.
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If my aunt had bollocks she'd be my uncle.Another problem, if German, Danish and Dutch don't get access to UK waters, is that no one else is geared up to catch the cod from those waters, so the price will go up (but then if that means we eat less cod that's good for cod stocks).
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