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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Have you actually read the EU proposals to amend their budget and contributions for the seven years after COVID?
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Believe what you want to believe mate - I guarantee the EU will come out of Covid and No Deal far fitter than we will. But hey blue passports etc - well worth it
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
So you actually have no idea who funds the EU and by how much then?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48256318
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that was then mate - a new world cometh - there will be much less money knocking about in the EU that was well known because our contribution won't be there but Covid-19 has hit and that model is over - if you really really think that a bloc of 27 is in a poorer position than a singleton in FUTURE financing FUTURE planning and borrowing then you need to broaden your mind. Your argument is based upon 2016- 2019 assumptions which are simply more null and void than the Belgian League - but if you want to to continue to plough 2019's furrow knock yourself out
 
bluethrunthru said:
that was then mate - a new world cometh - there will be much less money knocking about in the EU that was well known because our contribution won't be there but Covid-19 has hit and that model is over - if you really really think that a bloc of 27 is in a poorer position than a singleton in FUTURE financing FUTURE planning and borrowing then you need to broaden your mind. Your argument is based upon 2016- 2019 assumptions which are simply more null and void than the Belgian League - but if you want to to continue to plough 2019's furrow knock yourself out
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You do realise we'll all have fuck all money don't you? Not just the UK. It's you that needs to broaden your mind - the EU is outdated and about to go under. You are right, we need to change.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
We are net losers from our membership. The bill is about to get bigger, and the amount we get back even smaller as the project fails. The EU is an expensive vanity project that will only be missed by the likes of Poland that benefit to the tune of 11 billion a year, and those in high places in Brussels doing very nicely thank you. The other 'benefits' we receive are from current free trade - barriers to which without EU membership are a construct of the EU in order to coerce membership from nations that are paying for the project. It's a racket which before covid was a nuisance, but is now an anachronism.
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This was the oddest post of the exchange. Nearly every economist says our economy has suffered already from the vote (by far more than the annual contributions) and actually leaving with or without a deal will damage the economy and increase debt. We can assume the government's own assessments said the same otherwise they would have been published.

You can't describe a voluntary free trade agreement (to the mutual benefit of participants) as "coercion". (Ok, you did, but that's daft.)

Covid might put terminal strains on "the project" but Remainers would always say that was only because of Covid. If the EU survives, and thrives relative to the UK, Leavers (and this government) will escape responsibility for the damage of Brexit because they will just blame Covid for the damage.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Been quite illuminating - if not surprising - this exchange

So many of the Remainers on here post in this 'tribal / football' manner to defend / support EU membership and yet clearly are not embarrassed to show they do not even make the effort to understand the basics​
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We know how it works. The stronger nations help the weak to everybody's mutual benefit. Germany benefits from weaker nations being in the Eurozone because it depresses the value of the Euro (compared to a Deutschmark) and makes their exports cheaper. (And that was Varoufakis's argument last week - he's just not sure now that Germany will make that calculation in this crisis.)
 
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mcfc1632 said:
I know that Brexit must seem pretty unimportant right now - but I spotted an article giving the views of Yanis Varoufakis on the increasingly strident bleating of Barnier (he puts me in mind of that clip of the girl breaking down in tears because of the referendum outcome from 2016).

Not just Barnier - there are no end of diehard Remainers demanding that there should be an extension of the negotiations. When all the bleating is coming from one side - then it is obvious where the anxiety really lies

I sincerely hope that he is reading the UK government attitude correctly. The demands of Barnier on 'level-playing field', governance and fishing are just pathetically unreasonable - thankfully May and Robbins are no longer positioned to undermine the UK. Barnier must really miss those days of dealing with the lapdog Robbins.

Fingers crossed that there is genuine UK resolve and, if there is, that it will continue beyond this crisis when it will be particularly important that we are free of the EU's constraints

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/e...s-barnier-complains-about-brexit-negotiations
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I'll see your Barnier baa and raise you a Gove baa.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...news-EU-latest-UK-fishing-water-fisheries/amp

Our fishing fleet is all in port because they can't currently sell to European markets. If we don't do a deal, we get exclusive access to UK waters, but where do we sell the fish?
 
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bluethrunthru said:
that was then mate - a new world cometh - there will be much less money knocking about in the EU that was well known because our contribution won't be there but Covid-19 has hit and that model is over - if you really really think that a bloc of 27 is in a poorer position than a singleton in FUTURE financing FUTURE planning and borrowing then you need to broaden your mind. Your argument is based upon 2016- 2019 assumptions which are simply more null and void than the Belgian League - but if you want to to continue to plough 2019's furrow knock yourself out
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Have you seen the 15 Year Gilt Yield?
 
bluethrunthru said:
Jemma Joy Lib Dem
and James O'Brien follow



katya adler@BBCkatyaadler


Am not first to comment on this today but below observation by Michael Gove that #coronavirus will focus EU minds on post #Brexit trade deal is delusional. It distracts EU leaders all the more from something that was not top of in-tray even before COVID-19



Coronavirus fight should focus EU minds on Brexit deal, says Michael Gove
The coronavirus pandemic should “concentrate the minds” of European Union negotiators and speed up a deal on Britain’s post-Brexit ties with the bloc, Michael Gove has said.
politicshome.com
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God only knows what the Tories are selling behind our backs whilst Covid19 pandemic is going on.
 
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