COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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Marvin said:
This is the third coronavirus (SARS, MERS) in 10 years that has jumped into the human population. Are they particularly prone to jumping species? Can we predict and prepare for the next?
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I think that's why the bat lady was rooting around in caves in Southern China.
(Incidently it could have come straight to human from bat if there had been and intermediate stage from bat to pangilin and back again.)
 
karen7 said:
Are you sure?

This will mean Isle of Wight residents can get a warning if one of their contacts contracts COVID-19, and be able to warn any of their contacts if they are infected with the virus
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it’s a load a crap they are trialling it in the isle of white but they have told them to download the app but stay at home , protect the nhs and save lives

how on earth can it be a pilot for post lockdown track and trace if everyone is staying in their house exactly like the rest of the U.K.
 
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SilverFox2 said:
I wonder if those unfortunate young people who died were fully checked to see if they actually did have undiscovered underlying conditions?
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Some of the underlying conditions are pretty tame anyway including asthma or raised blood pressure. Many weren’t about to kick the bucket with Covid 19, although lots did have comorbidities
 
Marvin said:
Where are the residents from the care homes? They are the population I feel truly sorry for. They have been neglected, and that's not a comment about he UK but a comment internationally. They are the obvious target for the virus and yet even now no country seems to have worked out how to protect them. The other group badly affected are migrant workers.
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Lots of them die every year from flu and nobody gives a shit. Lots of them die every year from neglect and loneliness and the same shit is not given. Lots of them have been living in care homes not fit for purpose, with the private company running it being paid a pittance by the authorities, in the name of ‘efficiency‘ and profit and still nobody cares.
It’s a strange world when we only value the elderly when they’re dying quickly, but not when they’re living horrible lives. If one thing good is to come out of this, I hope it’s that we, as a society, care about the elderly who are living, as much as we are claiming to care about those who are dying, and sort social care out once and for all.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Lots of them die every year from flu and nobody gives a shit. Lots of them die every year from neglect and loneliness and the same shit is not given. Lots of them have been living in care homes not fit for purpose, with the private company running it being paid a pittance by the authorities, in the name of ‘efficiency‘ and profit and still nobody cares.
It’s a strange world when we only value the elderly when they’re dying quickly, but not when they’re living horrible lives. If one thing good is to come out of this, I hope it’s that we, as a society, care about the elderly who are living, as much as we are claiming to care about those who are dying, and sort social care out once and for all.
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Yes every government has kicked social care into the long grass,it can't be ignored now,going forwards hopefully it will help future residents of care homes,i am very sorry the past and current ones were not helped more
 
karen7 said:
Are you sure?

This will mean Isle of Wight residents can get a warning if one of their contacts contracts COVID-19, and be able to warn any of their contacts if they are infected with the virus
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Confusing but as I understand it, it is the people you have had physical contact with that also have the app data which will be stored on the app rather than your normal contact list if that makes sense.
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karen7 said:
Found march figures 14% had no underlying health issues that month,it might have ages in this somewhere but it is a bit long,most days the figures are reported in terms of how many deaths and how many had no underlying problems,so that is where I get the numbers from,they give ages but I haven't kept a running total,have to dig further for exact ages

Put in search covid deaths by age group and you will all the data,it is a download thing unfortunately

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...hcertificationdeathsinvolvingcovid19march2020
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According to the age stats upto 16 April, the age-standardised mortality rate per 100,000 people was 4.6 for those aged 40-44. That will include those with underlying conditions, and 3.3 for those 33-39. For those aged 70-74 the figure was 127.7.

Cannot be bothered hunting for any more figures but came across those from New York on Worldometers. The data, as of 14 April, indicates that of the 6,839 who had died, 25 deaths were of those aged 18-44 with no underlying conditions, and 59 people aged 45-64 with no underlying conditions. Combining these two figures, 1.2% of those aged 64 or younger, and with underlying conditions, had died. Of course, expressed as an absolute it is high but as a percentage it is very low. This disease is much, much more of a risk to those who are elderly with underlying health conditions.
 
ganganvince said:
Confusing but as I understand it, it is the people you have had physical contact with that also have the app data which will be stored on the app rather than your normal contact list if that makes sense.
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I understood it that if you get ill, the app allows you to tell the NHS, and this is bounced back to anyone who's been near to you recently. You don't need to know who they are.

It doesn't seem to make sense that it would go off your own phone contacts.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
I understood it that if you get ill, the app allows you to tell the NHS, and this is bounced back to anyone who's been near to you recently. You don't need to know who they are.

It doesn't seem to make sense that it would go off your own phone contacts.
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No the people you have had contact with that have registered on the app
 
Manc in London said:
According to the age stats upto 16 April, the age-standardised mortality rate per 100,000 people was 4.6 for those aged 40-44. That will include those with underlying conditions, and 3.3 for those 33-39. For those aged 70-74 the figure was 127.7.

Cannot be bothered hunting for any more figures but came across those from New York on Worldometers. The data, as of 14 April, indicates that of the 6,839 who had died, 25 deaths were of those aged 18-44 with no underlying conditions, and 59 people aged 45-64 with no underlying conditions. Combining these two figures, 1.2% of those aged 64 or younger, and with underlying conditions, had died. Of course, expressed as an absolute it is high but as a percentage it is very low. This disease is much, much more of a risk to those who are elderly with underlying health conditions.
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There was a five yr old,nine year old,two twelve or thirteen and a nineteen year old from memory as well,in the uk,with a few in there twenties,u can't be bothered to wade through the ONS this time of night either
 
Marvin said:
I saw something today (probably on the Guardian or BBC) which looked at regional all cause mortality in Italy. The reporter said that Italy had significantly underreported mortality particularly in Lombardy but that Rome actually showed a deficit in mortality. That perhaps shows the difficulty of using past trends to derive Covid19 mortality.
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This thing has been heavily regionalized so far. All over the world, countries have areas where it was very hard and some where it was barely noticeable. Chna had Wuhan, Italy had Lombardy, USA had New York, Spain had Madrid, UK London, Russia had Moscow... for ex. here in Sarajevo, we had 4-5 deaths on half a million people and few dozens confirmed cases. Some 10 times smaller cities, had three times more. It all depends how fast government moved with restrictions and if virus was already in big circulation before that. Once it gets a run, it's hard to stop it, but if you're lucky to move early, that it's controllable with quarantine and social distancing.
 
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