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bobbyowenquiff said:
The way we have managed flights in the UK is totally bizarre. We seem to be out of step with the rest of the world. Most places have tight controls on airports with passengers tested before they get onboard, half empty planes, curfews on arrival etc etc. I have not seen a sensible explanation from anyone in authority as to why this is not the case in the UK.
When the full investigation is held into this debacle I am sure airport controls will be added to the shameful list that includes; not enough early testing; inadequate PPE; no masks; Cheltenham races etc etc. Never mind we can all console ourselves by celebrating VE Day on Friday night by singing; "We'll meet again." Sorry to be so cynical but I am finally realising that we have all been had.
Just seen a CNN report that says Greece has the oldest and poorest population in Europe but has apparently had just 150 deaths. Makes you think doesn't it?
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Greece acted early.
Italy and Spain didn't, but eventually locked down hard.
The UK like the last two acted when it became obvious not to do so would be disastrous.
I can't speak for Italy but the lockdown in Spain was different to the UK. After 7 weeks of pretty much the whole country being confined to the house, we are now allowed out. When we go out we can be fairly sure that the people around us are covid negative as they have had very limited contact with anyone for 7 weeks.
The lockdown in the UK was lax. Walking, cycling, jogging around without masks on the 20th of March and onwards was a far riskier proposition.
 
purplenose said:
Its a strange one, I thought I may have had it early Feb, from Malaga maybe. At first it was dismissed by NHS111 but a few weeks ago I sawa doctor for a clinical trial who on hearing what had gone on said he would certainly not rule out the possibility that what I had was Covid.

I have not given immunity a second thought myself as I honestly don't know if I had it or not. Come the day we are tested for antibodies I would not be unduly surprised if it turned out I have had it, but nor will I if it is negative. I suppose I would be pleased to have had it and not had it badly should it prove you are then immune, who would'nt be.

I can say my views or thoughts on it having been around for a little bit longer in Europe than the powers that be currently admit are not influenced by my own illness whatever it was to any great extent, but the symptoms I had and the sequence of them certainly almost mirror that of Covid.
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I understand from previous posts that a few on here, Karen7 being one I have seen that some believe they could have caught it from the trip to Wembley and that was the 1st March

I came back from the Madrid game on the 28th Feb, the game was the 26th Feb and from then I had a cough like I have never had before for a good three weeks. I also had a few night sweats where I was drenched and had to get up and have a shower. A few loose shits but no other symptoms.

At the time I put this down to excess of Madrid and the games afterwards as I went to Wembley and i also went to the Derby game and we make occasions of them. The virus was then starting to et headlines but we will never know

Maybe I am clinging
 
Chippy_boy said:
And probably why nearly 1 month after the peak and 6 full weeks after lockdown, we still have 400 people dying every day. A 100% lockdown would have resulted in zero deaths per day at this point. I know that was never practicable, I am just putting it out there.
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No it wouldn't. Food shopping is clearly allowing it to spread as people are getting a lot closer that 2 metres for quite a long time period. Longer than 6 seconds for sure. Exercise is resulting in bugger all transmission.
Only face masks would have reduced the spread.
 
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robbieh said:
Greece acted early.
Italy and Spain didn't, but eventually locked down hard.
The UK like the last two acted when it became obvious not to do so would be disastrous.
I can't speak for Italy but the lockdown in Spain was different to the UK. After 7 weeks of pretty much the whole country being confined to the house, we are now allowed out. When we go out we can be fairly sure that the people around us are covid negative as they have had very limited contact with anyone for 7 weeks.
The lockdown in the UK was lax. Walking, cycling, jogging around without masks on the 20th of March and onwards was a far riskier proposition.
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Nope, it was not jogging or cycling outside which was any kind of issue, having house party 's or barbeques in the back garden was.
 
hgblue said:
Not me. It seems someone died of Covid in December in France. He had not been abroad so had been infected by someone else. This means Covid was in France in early December. I’m just trying to understand how this can be. Did this virus fail to spread for some reason? Seems unlikely because it’s spread like wildfire everywhere else. I’m just interested to hear an explanation for this that makes sense.
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His wife worked at the airport who also showed some mild symptoms but was mainly asymptomatic.

It’s likely there were multiple cases in January that people didn’t realise. Not overly widespread though so if it was, the ICUs would have been full then too. That and the testing that was done in the early days wouldn’t have had the volume of negative results it did (not just here but everywhere).
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
The way we have managed flights in the UK is totally bizarre. We seem to be out of step with the rest of the world. Most places have tight controls on airports with passengers tested before they get onboard, half empty planes, curfews on arrival etc etc. I have not seen a sensible explanation from anyone in authority as to why this is not the case in the UK.
When the full investigation is held into this debacle I am sure airport controls will be added to the shameful list that includes; not enough early testing; inadequate PPE; no masks; Cheltenham races etc etc. Never mind we can all console ourselves by celebrating VE Day on Friday night by singing; "We'll meet again." Sorry to be so cynical but I am finally realising that we have all been had.
Just seen a CNN report that says Greece has the oldest and poorest population in Europe but has apparently had just 150 deaths. Makes you think doesn't it?
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They dont do much sking in Italy and they locked down early.
 
robbieh said:
Greece acted early.
Italy and Spain didn't, but eventually locked down hard.
The UK like the last two acted when it became obvious not to do so would be disastrous.
I can't speak for Italy but the lockdown in Spain was different to the UK. After 7 weeks of pretty much the whole country being confined to the house, we are now allowed out. When we go out we can be fairly sure that the people around us are covid negative as they have had very limited contact with anyone for 7 weeks.
The lockdown in the UK was lax. Walking, cycling, jogging around without masks on the 20th of March and onwards was a far riskier proposition.
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Agreed. It looks like the UK is going to end up with the longest lockdown (if today's reports are true) and the highest deaths, apart from the USA, which seems to be an even bigger shambles than we are.
 
robbieh said:
Greece acted early.
Italy and Spain didn't, but eventually locked down hard.
The UK like the last two acted when it became obvious not to do so would be disastrous.
I can't speak for Italy but the lockdown in Spain was different to the UK. After 7 weeks of pretty much the whole country being confined to the house, we are now allowed out. When we go out we can be fairly sure that the people around us are covid negative as they have had very limited contact with anyone for 7 weeks.
The lockdown in the UK was lax. Walking, cycling, jogging around without masks on the 20th of March and onwards was a far riskier proposition.
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The uk has never locked down at any point to the extent some other countries did.
 
cleavers said:
He didn't, he was in ICU, but his 2 kids showed signs having it but weren't tested, the suggestion is he caught it from his asymptomatic wife who worked in a busy shop near an airport.
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Yeah, that was me spreading fake news, I thought he had died, apologies for that.
 
route46 said:
Surely the more people infected the more viral load u are likely to ingest??
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Chippy_boy said:
Nope.

Still clinging?
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Chippy_boy said:
No, that's not what I am telling you.

If there's 100 people in the room and 1 person is infected, then you don't get double the viral load if there are 2 infected people in the room. You just have double the chance of chatting with 1 of them.

And apart from anything else, there's debate about whether viral load is even a factor.
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So you accept the probability of catching it is proportionately higher. That would have been quicker.
 
Questions

Public x 2

How can we going forward embed our learning to help empower and allow communities to thrive across all communities and address inequalities ? Nobody has been safe from the virus,we have learnt a lot,the gov are seeking to address inequality,praise for key workers

Track and trace,will it work worldwide once travel resumes ? Ours specific to our country and standards

Media

More deaths than anyone else in Europe ? Comparisons difficult,counting deaths in all settings (so are italy and france)not accepting we are the worst ,higher than we would wish

Masks ? SAGE advice is finely balanced on it,do not want to stop masks going to frontline workers

Once track and track is up and running would deaths come down ? Social distancing has been key measures till now and will continue,track and trace allows us to move into next phase and get on top of a new outbreaks

Cannot move to relax restrictions too soon or risk new peak

Cumulative deaths will not come down but it will flatten

Schools ? Still uncertain on how many kids would catch it and have symptoms or not
Would need close monitoring,watching other countries opening schools closely,wouldn't be able to open all schools without a peak,SAGE giving options

Risk factors,obesity risk in particular ? Yes it is a risk,it is better not to be obese at any time

Premier league return ? Would lift the spirits of the nation,gov have been discussing with sports bodies but following the science,would be behind closed doors for all sports to begin with ,seeing if it can be done safely

Brexit question
 
Not sure football behind closed doors would be a great idea, what are everyone’s thoughts on this?
 
Chippy_boy said:
No, that's not what I am telling you.

If there's 100 people in the room and 1 person is infected, then you don't get double the viral load if there are 2 infected people in the room. You just have double the chance of chatting with 1 of them.

And apart from anything else, there's debate about whether viral load is even a factor.
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Viral load is a big factor for staff treating patients,they are exposed to massive viral loads
 
mayo31 said:
I understand from previous posts that a few on here, Karen7 being one I have seen that some believe they could have caught it from the trip to Wembley and that was the 1st March

I came back from the Madrid game on the 28th Feb, the game was the 26th Feb and from then I had a cough like I have never had before for a good three weeks. I also had a few night sweats where I was drenched and had to get up and have a shower. A few loose shits but no other symptoms.

At the time I put this down to excess of Madrid and the games afterwards as I went to Wembley and i also went to the Derby game and we make occasions of them. The virus was then starting to et headlines but we will never know

Maybe I am clinging
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Don't fall for the "clinging" line, it's thrown out there to imply that people who question the orthodoxy are afraid of something. It's childish and a way of closing down any disagreement. End of !
 
mayo31 said:
I understand from previous posts that a few on here, Karen7 being one I have seen that some believe they could have caught it from the trip to Wembley and that was the 1st March

I came back from the Madrid game on the 28th Feb, the game was the 26th Feb and from then I had a cough like I have never had before for a good three weeks. I also had a few night sweats where I was drenched and had to get up and have a shower. A few loose shits but no other symptoms.

At the time I put this down to excess of Madrid and the games afterwards as I went to Wembley and i also went to the Derby game and we make occasions of them. The virus was then starting to et headlines but we will never know

Maybe I am clinging
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Because my normal life is being in isolation anyway I know I got it from wembley weekend also the villa fan who was ill when he went to wembley ended up in intensive care afterwards,it was definitely around at least mid to late february
 
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