Chippy_boy
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Better than being dim IMO.
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I think by most judgements we have not done well. I don't blame anyone in particular, I think there's been mistakes made all the way along by all sorts of people. From the duff advice about herd immunity, IMO locking down too late, allowing various activities (and paradoxically barring other relatively innocuous ones), the shameful clinging to this nonsense about no benefit in face masks - doubtless influenced by the acute lack of PPE for the medical professionals. Idiotic behaviour by certain members of the public. It's not been a catalogue of disaster and cock up and it is admirable that we have managed to keep critical case load below the NHS's capacity to cope with it. The Nightingale hospitals are an inspiration.
But the bottom line is we had a 2 or 3 week advantage over Spain, France and Italy and have ended up with more dead than they have. That cannot be described as us having done well. At all.
Spot on. There are many on here who are convinced we have handled this well though. Baffling.
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Have you any evidence to support this claim ? I'd be interested to see it if you have.But the bottom line is we had a 2 or 3 week advantage over Spain, France and Italy and have ended up with more dead than they have. That cannot be described as us having done well. At all.
George Hannah
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The real death league stats will not be available for quite a while, it's a terrible situation why make a tragedy into a fake competition?I think by most judgements we have not done well. I don't blame anyone in particular, I think there's been mistakes made all the way along by all sorts of people. From the duff advice about herd immunity, IMO locking down too late, allowing various activities (and paradoxically barring other relatively innocuous ones), the shameful clinging to this nonsense about no benefit in face masks - doubtless influenced by the acute lack of PPE for the medical professionals. Idiotic behaviour by certain members of the public. It's not been a catalogue of disaster and cock up and it is admirable that we have managed to keep critical case load below the NHS's capacity to cope with it. The Nightingale hospitals are an inspiration.
But the bottom line is we had a 2 or 3 week advantage over Spain, France and Italy and have ended up with more dead than they have. That cannot be described as us having done well. At all.
Have you any evidence to support this claim ? I'd be interested to see it if you have.
I'm confused by this question?
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There’s got to be lots of different strains going around which would account for the massive differences in death rates.
I think being a major airline hub, we should have shutdown the airports right at the start.
I think being a major airline hub, we should have shutdown the airports right at the start.
The real death league stats will not be available for quite a while, it's a terrible situation why make a tragedy into a fake competition?
It's not about anything other than the fact people have died needlessly and a fucking lot of people.
Chippy_boy
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Is this a trick question? I don't remember Lombardy-like scenes in Manchester at the time they were happening in Lombardy. Perhaps I missed it.Have you any evidence to support this claim ? I'd be interested to see it if you have.
As far as I can recall, whilst people were dying in their hundreds every day in Lombardy, we were still going to footy matches and out and about shopping.
Better than being dim IMO.
Was the guy dim or did he just want clarification.
I am sure he knows a few things now.
George Hannah
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You don't know that, neither does anyone else. Hindsight is wishful thinking.It's not about anything other than the fact people have died needlessly and a fucking lot of people.
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/Have you any evidence to support this claim ? I'd be interested to see it if you have.
You don't know that, neither does anyone else. Hindsight is wishful thinking.
So you don't believe people have died?
As I live in Spain and spend a lot of time keeping up to speed with the UK, not least on here, this is my view.Have you any evidence to support this claim ? I'd be interested to see it if you have.
At the beginning of the UK lockdown it looked for the first 3 weeks that the UK had every chance of keeping the numbers lower than Spain and Italy.
That they haven't would at least demand some searching questions
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I'm asking for evidence to back up his statement. The ONS have said we won't know, for sometime to come and when all the data is collected, will we have an idea to the real figures.I'm confused by this question?
It's a bit like giving us the league at xmas with over half the season to go. If it wasn't so serious.
Chippy_boy
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I'm asking for evidence to back up his statement. The ONS have said we won't know, for sometime to come and when all the data is collected, will we have an idea to the real figures.
It's a bit like giving us the league at xmas with over half the season to go. If it wasn't so serious.
I don't think they are suggesting the death toll might come down. The NHS can work miracles but they are not THAT good.
As I live in Spain and spend a lot of time keeping up to speed with the UK, not least on here, this is my view.
At the beginning of the UK lockdown it looked for the first 3 weeks that the UK had every chance of keeping the numbers lower than Spain and Italy.
That they haven't would at least demand some searching questions
The day Boris said that people will lose loved ones earlier than expected and looked like he had just seen a ghost or his alimony bill was when I kind of knew that we were fucked.
Chippy Boy has just posted that he does not particularly blame anyone but then explains some of the events very well which could lead you to exactly who is to blame.
He will correct us if wrong no doubt but for me the govt are being pointed at more and I agree
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The uk has never locked down at any point to the extent some other countries did.
the public still say the police were being too heavy handed, no way we’d obey a tougher lockdown - would replicate the scenes we saw at the governors houses in America
George Hannah
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29,400 deaths recorded as of today in the UK as a result of Coronavirus. Nobody can know how many of those died needlessly at present. Probably not for a very long time either. I think your question says a great deal about you btw.So you don't believe people have died?
The public shouldn’t be trusted to tie their shoe laces.the public still say the police were being too heavy handed, no way we’d obey a tougher lockdown - would replicate the scenes we saw at the governors houses in America
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Problem being there isn't a one size fits when it comes to numbers.As I live in Spain and spend a lot of time keeping up to speed with the UK, not least on here, this is my view.
At the beginning of the UK lockdown it looked for the first 3 weeks that the UK had every chance of keeping the numbers lower than Spain and Italy.
That they haven't would at least demand some searching questions
Take a look at Nick Stripe (@NickStripe_ONS): https://twitter.com/NickStripe_ONS?s=09
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