COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[g180aj]

I'm asking for evidence to back up his statement. The ONS have said we won't know, for sometime to come and when all the data is collected, will we have an idea to the real figures.
It's a bit like giving us the league at xmas with over half the season to go. If it wasn't so serious.

Were talking about over 250,000 deaths worldwide, for me 1 is too many!

 

[kaz7]

Ferguson has resigned from sage for letting his lover visit him and break lockdown rules

Oops

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Is this a trick question? I don't remember Lombardy-like scenes in Manchester at the time they were happening in Lombardy. Perhaps I missed it.

As far as I can recall, whilst people were dying in their hundreds every day in Lombardy, we were still going to footy matches and out and about shopping.

That's the evidence ?

 

[meltonblue]

the public still say the police were being too heavy handed, no way we’d obey a tougher lockdown - would replicate the scenes we saw at the governors houses in America

Too heavy handed based on the guidance given though, which actually proves the point more. In terms of support of a lockdown, it’s overwhelmingly in favour of it and always has been. Ultimately, fear of death will always trump everything in the end. It’s then about the message.

 

[g180aj]

29,400 deaths recorded as of today in the UK as a result of Coronavirus. Nobody can know how many of those died needlessly at present. Probably not for a very long time either. I think your question says a great deal about you btw.

For me it's pretty straight forward, every single 1 of them died needlessly.

 

[George Hannah]

Were talking about over 250,000 deaths worldwide, for me 1 is too many!

You think the virus was not needed then?

 

[Vicious111]

I'm absolutely perplexed at how a country that was well in the know, and largely untouched by Covid-19 whilst other countries were in lockdown impacted by Covid-19 are now the second worst affected country in the world. The true estimate is mentioned at 40,000 including care homes deaths.

What amazes me further is that many people are hailing Bojo and his government for their 'heroic' efforts. The same government that refused to take scientific advice into account for weeks and lockdown, and kept travel to and fro the country open.

 

[George Hannah]

For me it's pretty straight forward, every single 1 of them died needlessly.

that is pretty straightforward

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Were talking about over 250,000 deaths worldwide, for me 1 is too many!

I agree, whatever the final figure.

 

[sir baconface]

Ferguson has resigned from sage for letting his lover visit him and break lockdown rules

Oops

Nobody called Ferguson should be trusted.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Take a look at Nick Stripe (@NickStripe_ONS): https://twitter.com/NickStripe_ONS?s=09

 

[Phil1]

You think the virus was not needed then?

We could probably have done without it tbh.

 

[g180aj]

You think the virus was not needed then?

That doesn't even make sense!

They all died needlessly, we carried on business as usual for a good 3 weeks too long as far as I'm concerned. Italy was a big warning that the government thought they knew more than everyone else.

To address the nation and say football matches were fine because ud only infect at most 3 people...... Was just insane.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

29,400 deaths recorded as of today in the UK as a result of Coronavirus. Nobody can know how many of those died needlessly at present. Probably not for a very long time either. I think your question says a great deal about you btw.

I think it’s circa 32,300 that number doesn’t include Scotland and NI additional deaths

 

[George Hannah]

I'm absolutely perplexed at how a country that was well in the know, and largely untouched by Covid-19 whilst other countries were in lockdown impacted by Covid-19 are now the second worst affected country in the world. The true estimate is mentioned at 40,000 including care homes deaths. What amazes me further is that many people are hailing Bojo and his government for their 'heroic' efforts. The same government that refused to take scientific advice into account for weeks and lockdown, and kept travel to and from the country open.

We don't know yet if the decisions taken were correct at the time they were taken and if different ones would have affected the outcome.

 

[Marvin]

It's not about anything other than the fact people have died needlessly and a fucking lot of people.

Yes but no one knows how it will all play out in the end.

There are 3 ways out of this:

Immunity from infection
Immunity from vaccination or an effective medicine
Test like mad and hope it gets a country through their winter, and the 2nd wave. The 2nd wave is important as no country will be able to lockdown again. They will collapse as happened in the financial collapse with runs on the banks etc.

The UK has gone for option 1, and that's not because they are callous or stupid but because the experts think that the most important aspect is to avoid a 2nd peak. I think they may pragmatically switch to testing depending on current immunity levels, vaccine progress and the results of testing.

Most countries are coming through the 1st wave now. Deaths will fall significantly in the Northern Hemisphere. We don't know if it will fall close to zero, or tick over in the background but without any immunity some countries will be very prone to another wave in the late Autumn. The conservative strategy has some logic behind it and it's not callous. I suspect that there will be a vaccine, and that Germany, China, South Korea will all be able to hold it at bay but we that is really an act of faith. South Korea and China stopped it by mass testing but they have different environmental conditions. We don't know if it hits again in the Winter that we'd be able to do that. I am pretty confident that the UK will cope this Autumn because so many people have had it now. But what happens to those temperate states with very low immunity in the Autumn? No one knows. Everyone would like to think testing will hold it off but that's an act of faith.

It's an unbelievably difficult problem. it's not helped by suppressing the scientific opinion that's fed to government from SAGE. I have changed my opinion on the subject and still wobble around about it now as there's so much to understand and we don't have access to information or have a good understanding of the underlying science.

 

[kaz7]

Anyone care to put a timeline on any of this?

You know, when each measure was implemented. What effect they had on the death rate? What was the known deaths/cases at each point?
You know just to refresh a few memories as it would appear the thread has been infected with hindsight 2020.

You know all that already,SAGE papers will show you what they advised and what was done by gov instead

 

[BlueAnorak]

Both are certainly true. And the obesity rates would have come down a fair bit as well!

That would certainly result in lower deaths in the second wave! Unless people stuffed their faces in the meantime of course.

 

[twosips]

Deary fucking me...we're being guided by bellends.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

The true estimate

Is there such a thing ?