COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[kaz7]

Maybe the data isn't that good then!

Edit - must be 15% of that area not the whole country.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-team-covid-infection-fatality.html

Small community not whole of germany

 

[True_Blue69]

Small community not whole of germany

You said don't quote you so please return the favour if that's still the case.

 

[Tricky_Trev]

We really have made a complete and utter mess of this. I don't even know why I'm surprised to be honest. Incompetent leadership from the start with the wait and see mentality while everyone else was shutting up shop. Add in the ridiculously idiotic and selfish population we have in this country who just refused to stay indoors and it's no surprise we're first place for deaths in Europe.

And we are now trying to fast track re-opening the country when we should be waiting on the science and getting a vaccination sorted first. So I think we can say thousands more people are going to die needlessly from this.

Been saying it since the beginning, when it was just a bit of flu. The experts/advisors/government have been grossly negligent. It was clear very early on that we were going to be the worst affected in Europe, despite the focus at the time being on Italy. We have inept leadership and the largest percentage of stupid cünts. Not a good combo.

Now there’s a clamour for some normality to resume. What do people not understand about this being the new normal? This is not a 2-month piss about, this is life now. We must wait for a vaccine, people need to accept the long-term nature of this disaster or else there’ll be a damn sight more deaths than there otherwise would have been from now onwards.

 

[kaz7]

You said don't quote you so please return the favour if that's still the case.

Read your links then

 

[True_Blue69]

Been saying it since the beginning, when it was just a bit of flu. The experts/advisors/government have been grossly negligent. It was clear very early on that we were going to be the worst affected in Europe, despite the focus at the time being on Italy. We have inept leadership and the largest percentage of stupid cünts. Not a good combo.

Yet our healthcare system has not seen the same stress as Italy which apparently is one of the best in Europe. Strange that.

Italy's excess death figures are far higher than their stated covid deaths so it's far too soon to say we are going to end up the worst affected in Europe.

 

[True_Blue69]

Read your links then

Which bit? 15% tested had it, 22% didn't show symptoms and 0.36% infected died. That's what it says.

 

[Two Gun Bob]

We really have made a complete and utter mess of this. I don't even know why I'm surprised to be honest. Incompetent leadership from the start with the wait and see mentality while everyone else was shutting up shop. Add in the ridiculously idiotic and selfish population we have in this country who just refused to stay indoors and it's no surprise we're first place for deaths in Europe.

And we are now trying to fast track re-opening the country when we should be waiting on the science and getting a vaccination sorted first. So I think we can say thousands more people are going to die needlessly from this.

Would you have been just as surprised if it was a Labour government in charge or a Lib Dem or a more nobler Greener front, now would you ? Fact of the matter is this scenario was an unknown entity from the outset and all the governmental parties could do was to take heed from the experts to hand who quite frankly were not experts as the whole scenario was ? "unknown". Hindsight is a wonderful thing and yes the government initially fooked up but so would have all the other democratic parties and so has all of Europe and so has the Americas and the rest of the known world. Instead of chastisement maybe just maybe this is a time to come together as one single entity in an effort to defeat this behemoth of a virus. Finger pointing is a very easy thing to do in the aftermath.

 

[worsleyweb]

Would you have been just as surprised if it was a Labour government in charge or a Lib Dem or a more nobler Greener front, now would you ? Fact of the matter is this scenario was an unknown entity from the outset and all the governmental parties could do was to take heed from the experts to hand who quite frankly were not experts as the whole scenario was ? "unknown". Hindsight is a wonderful thing and yes the government initially fooked up but so would have all the other democratic parties and so has all of Europe and so has the Americas and the rest of the known world. Instead of chastisement maybe just maybe this is a time to come together as one single entity in an effort to defeat this behemoth of a virus. Finger pointing is a very easy thing to do in the aftermath.

Applauds. Only you and bill speak sense. Wisdom.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Are you insinuating the measures we put in place are wrong because Ferguson was out shagging?

just that he never thought they were that important

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Yet our healthcare system has not seen the same stress as Italy which apparently is one of the best in Europe. Strange that.

To be fair, someone made the good point that in something like this, it's quantity not quality that matters. Hence why countries with poorer health systems aren't necessarily going to cope less well as long as they have the capacity. And on Italy, it's worth mentioning that their average age is 5 years older than ours, so you would expect more people to die there anyway (although so it Germany, and they've done fine).

Italy's excess death figures are far higher than their stated covid deaths so it's far too soon to say we are going to end up the worst affected in Europe.

This is true, but it's hard to celebrate not ending up as the worst in Europe when you are still the second worst or third. Just 2 or 3 days ago on here, someone said that we're not going to overtake Italy because they usually post massive numbers on the 5th. Well now it's the 5th and we've just overtaken them. Assuming they are a couple of weeks ahead of us, we can expect our numbers to continue to climb at a higher rate than theirs for some time. Of course there's always the risk of a second wave, so we'll have to wait and see. I think it's safe to say however, that the UK haven't dealt with this first wave as well as some other countries.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Applauds. Only you and bill speak sense. Wisdom.

Let's be honest, if our civil servants and health officials were truely excellent they'd be working for a private company. There is ALWAYS at least a moderate level of incompetence in government.

 

[True_Blue69]

To be fair, someone made the good point that in something like this, it's quantity not quality that matters. Hence why countries with poorer health systems aren't necessarily going to cope less well as long as they have the capacity. And on Italy, it's worth mentioning that their average age is 5 years older than ours, so you would expect more people to die there anyway (although so it Germany, and they've done fine).


This is true, but it's hard to celebrate not ending up as the worst in Europe when you are still the second worst or third. Just 2 or 3 days ago on here, someone said that we're not going to overtake Italy because they usually post massive numbers on the 5th. Well now it's the 5th and we've just overtaken them. Assuming they are a couple of weeks ahead of us, we can expect our numbers to continue to climb at a higher rate than theirs for some time. Of course there's always the risk of a second wave, so we'll have to wait and see. I think it's safe to say however, that the UK haven't dealt with this first wave as well as some other countries.

Fair point and it's definitely not something to celebrate, was just pointing out that the likelihood is that we have had significant number of deaths less than Italy. The question about consistent reporting still hasnt really been answered either that I'm aware of. We are reporting not as the cause of death but as a factor, the others may be doing it different.

 

[VOOMER]

Just so I haven’t misinterpreted, are you saying we shouldn’t have locked down?

Lockdown is associated with punishment, not the treating a virus. The reaction will be viewed in the as a catastrophic mistake and abuse of power. This is a test as to how gullible and feeble the general public is and how much they simply nod their heads and no their place.

 

[George Hannah]

Let's be honest, if our civil servants and health officials were truely excellent they'd be working for a private company. There is ALWAYS at least a moderate level of incompetence in government.

lol

 

[BlueAnorak]

To be fair, someone made the good point that in something like this, it's quantity not quality that matters. Hence why countries with poorer health systems aren't necessarily going to cope less well as long as they have the capacity. And on Italy, it's worth mentioning that their average age is 5 years older than ours, so you would expect more people to die there anyway (although so it Germany, and they've done fine).


This is true, but it's hard to celebrate not ending up as the worst in Europe when you are still the second worst or third. Just 2 or 3 days ago on here, someone said that we're not going to overtake Italy because they usually post massive numbers on the 5th. Well now it's the 5th and we've just overtaken them. Assuming they are a couple of weeks ahead of us, we can expect our numbers to continue to climb at a higher rate than theirs for some time. Of course there's always the risk of a second wave, so we'll have to wait and see. I think it's safe to say however, that the UK haven't dealt with this first wave as well as some other countries.

That would be me and ISTAT (Italy's ONS) did post massive 11,600 excess death numbers for MARCH - (in addition to the 13,710 already posted an increase of 84% on recorded figures) you have to wait till June to see the numbers for April!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05...toll-much-higher-than-reported-istat/12214396

Note: All UK figures are accurate up to the 24th April.

BTW all deaths are a tragedy but you have to compare apples with apples. It would seem all excess deaths are the only accurate comparison that can be made.

 

[Brendan110_0]

Time will tell, long play this one, no cure around the corner. I know one thing, every citizen of every country thinks their governments are incompetent and lying about figures, just the way it is in a crazy pandemic - should've shut off traffic from China but globalisation put paid to that.

 

[VOOMER]

The purpose of the lockdown is so we don’t overwhelm our healthcare system. Do we really need to go over this?

Really? Then how that every hospital in M60 circle is running at less than 30% bed occupancy? Post OP patients being placed in COVID wards without being tested and you challenge that statement that's a personal experience dealing with a family member. So no "This" lockdown wasn't needed.

 

[VOOMER]

the deaths today going to the top in Europe and now this is really bad.

however it’s nothing compared to the absolutely disgraceful policy on flights into this country that has continued throughout,

Exactly , that's the powers that be laughing in our faces and calling us morons.

 

[davek1808]

Are you insinuating the measures we put in place are wrong because Ferguson was out shagging?

Too many fingers in too many pies.

 

[BosnianBlue]

Slovenia did serological testing research and found out only 2-4% of population is infected.