Is it time for us to stop wasting time and switch our focus to the US?
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smudgedj
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I think we may have more than one person to negotiate trade deals. ;-)Is it time for us to stop wasting time and switch our focus to the US?
This is another crap interpretation of reality. This is about company mergers to stave off Chinese takeovers (EU Commission not keen as mergers can be anti-competitive, but most member states supporting the "champions" idea). Test case was EU hesitancy about the merger of Siemens and Alstom. All a bit passé as there will be a host of post-virus mergers.Indeed. At the same time as outlawing protectionism of industry within EU nations, the BDI in Germany is proposing that German and French industries are designated 'European Champions' to face the threat of China/US competition.
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Not if there's no movement.Seems that Hogan and Barnier are starting to get the message that there will be a time when the other party will choose not to engage when there is nothing coming back but the 'same old same' insistence on acceptance of their demands.
I really think that we may well be headed to a No FTA outcome - No-Deal has been off the table since the WA.
Shane, but so be it if it has to be so one-sided on the EU's favour.
In times gone by the Remainers on here used to 'emphasise' that the PD would only ever be a set of 'aspirations' that the UK would end up disappointed by as the EU did not have binding commitments to deliver.
Funny how that has turned full circle.....
The pressure and concern sees to be all on one side now - it almost feels that the old fact should be repeated - that we:
"...will not see movement from the EU unless and until...……………."
It afterall was always spot-on
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Ooh... Devastating :-DThis is another crap interpretation of reality. This is about company mergers to stave off Chinese takeovers (EU Commission not keen as mergers can be anti-competitive, but most member states supporting the "champions" idea). Test case was EU hesitancy about the merger of Siemens and Alstom. All a bit passé as there will be a host of post-virue mergers.
Not as devastating as the one the disingenuous expert in all things is ignoring. Then there's this:Ooh... Devastating :-D
So you post something misleading and he burbles on into his anti-EU diatribe without having a clue what your post was about.I find a comparison between their 'entitled' attitude with the G14 as discussed in the UEFA FFP investigation thread. They are a bit like the Scum red bastards and the redscouse - with the EU in the role of UEFA - subservient, but corrupt and determined to survive - and of course punish the upstart - CITY (aka the UK) .
And in a similar manner they attract people who blindly follow and who can see nothing other than an magnificent organisation that reflects beatitude
Ifwecouldjust.......
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It doesn't matter what you call it. Tariffs are a stupid and borderline xenophobic mechanism. To agree not to have them is a piece of piss. You just adopt the current tariff free stance into a whatever you want to call the 'deal' and carry on. Unless someone has an actual desire to create barriers to trade they need not exist. These are not geographical features we are talking about, it is literally made up stuff.
To operate without tariffs is to abandon your industry and Farming....Tariffs are imposed to make foreign imports as/ or more expensive than what is produced here. Without tariffs we could be flooded (as we have been with Chinese Steel) with much cheaper options (much more dangerous in a recession as everyone will be trying to save cash ) that would see UK manufacturing and production go bust.
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After a concerted effort by the establishment, governments, millions of taxpayers money, The US
president, John Bercow, parliament and many others, they still can't overturn democracy, yet another
quango shown up as biased and corrupt, and Brexit has been delivered despite them.
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Surely they would still want access to the second biggest car market in Europe ? A market bigger than Denmark, Greece Spain , Holland and Ireland combined. And with a no deal we would be free of state aid restrictions and could incentivise manufacturers to build in the UK. I know remainers like to knock the UK but I just don't get why car manufacturers would not be worried about not having good access to the second biggest market in Europe. To think that is naive imo.Factor in the slump caused by the pandemic then a No Deal Brexit and NISSAN, MINI and Vauxhall production will move for starters- fewer of each will be needed and their owners will have loads of spare capacity to build in EU based factories.
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You're bringing up some bad memories. I'd hopefully forgotten about how infuriating they were.After a concerted effort by the establishment, governments, millions of taxpayers money, The US
president, John Bercow, parliament and many others, they still can't overturn democracy, yet another
quango shown up as biased and corrupt, and Brexit has been delivered despite them.
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It's simple, really. Shut down production, spend millions, nay billions during a recession caused by a virus, to have the exact same thing except elsewhere (just to show those pesky Brits) then build those cars and sell them to the same market you just moved from, except now with additional tarriffs added, because few people in the place you moved production to actually buys your product and you don't want a free trade deal. Remainer logic.Surely they would still want access to the second biggest car market in Europe ? A market bigger than Denmark, Greece Spain , Holland and Ireland combined. And with a no deal we would be free of state aid restrictions and could incentivise manufacturers to build in the UK. I know remainers like to knock the UK but I just don't get why car manufacturers would not be worried about not having good access to the second biggest market in Europe. To think that is naive imo.
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Still expecting German car manufacturers to force the EU to give us a great deal?Surely they would still want access to the second biggest car market in Europe ? A market bigger than Denmark, Greece Spain , Holland and Ireland combined. And with a no deal we would be free of state aid restrictions and could incentivise manufacturers to build in the UK. I know remainers like to knock the UK but I just don't get why car manufacturers would not be worried about not having good access to the second biggest market in Europe. To think that is naive imo.
Saying the same thing for 4 years isn’t going to make it any more likely.
Even less likely now that many people right across the continent won’t have a pot to piss in after this pandemic and the last thing anyone will be doing is buying a new car.
Any leverage they might have had (and there’s little evidence they were using it anyway) will be diminished by the pandemic.
bluethrunthru
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Surely they would still want access to the second biggest car market in Europe ? A market bigger than Denmark, Greece Spain , Holland and Ireland combined. And with a no deal we would be free of state aid restrictions and could incentivise manufacturers to build in the UK. I know remainers like to knock the UK but I just don't get why car manufacturers would not be worried about not having good access to the second biggest market in Europe. To think that is naive imo.
Pandemic + Brexit = there is no guarantee we will remain this huge market - " This time next year Rodders, we'll be fucking broke"
Yep - indeedAfter a concerted effort by the establishment, governments, millions of taxpayers money, The US
president, John Bercow, parliament and many others, they still can't overturn democracy, yet another
quango shown up as biased and corrupt, and Brexit has been delivered despite them.
You mentioned Bercow - I had already happily forgotten that utter self-obsessed twat of a man
Thankfully, or at least hopefully, he will now fade into being an irrelevant footnote of history
And of course that is what we will intend to do and.....Surely they would still want access to the second biggest car market in Europe ? A market bigger than Denmark, Greece Spain , Holland and Ireland combined. And with a no deal we would be free of state aid restrictions and could incentivise manufacturers to build in the UK. I know remainers like to knock the UK but I just don't get why car manufacturers would not be worried about not having good access to the second biggest market in Europe. To think that is naive imo.
Of course, the EU are very concerned and that is why the EU are trying to constrain us through imposing controls over our key polices as an independent state.
They are much happier using our funding to incentivise the transfer of UK jobs to others nations as part of their largesse - they would be appalled at the UK having the opportunity to use it's money to incentivise manufacture in the UK
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Desperate distraction to avoid fessing up about your inconvenient untruths about EU grants.Yep - indeed
You mentioned Bercow - I had already happily forgotten that utter self-obsessed twat of a man
Thankfully, or at least hopefully, he will now fade into being an irrelevant footnote of history
Is a Tory government really going to dole out state aid to companies? The CMA has been recruiting staff to work on any independent UK rules but one of the tests will be whether state aid disadvantages another UK competitor.And of course that is what we will intend to do and.....
Of course, the EU are very concerned and that is why the EU are trying to constrain us through imposing controls over our key polices as an independent state.
They are much happier using our funding to incentivise the transfer of UK jobs to others nations as part of their largesse - they would be appalled at the UK having the opportunity to use it's money to incentivise manufacture in the UK
And we might not get a deal with the EU but if you want deals with anyone else state aid will be on the agenda; the CMA has pointed out that "the case that a commitment by the UK to independent state aid control – which is deeper than the basic anti-subsidy regime applicable to all WTO members – may be attractive to other trading parties with whom the UK may negotiate trade agreements in the future". Can you imagine a deal with the USA that allowed us to subsidise Airbus over Boeing?
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It must be terrible living in your world full of negativity and pessimism. I really do feel sorry for people like you who can only see negatives in everything. I hope you can find a little bit of enjoyment over this long weekend.Pandemic + Brexit = there is no guarantee we will remain this huge market - " This time next year Rodders, we'll be fucking broke"
bluethrunthru
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It must be terrible living in your world full of negativity and pessimism. I really do feel sorry for people like you who can only see negatives in everything. I hope you can find a little bit of enjoyment over this long weekend.
Oh I will - I am passing the time skinning puppies alive and polluting local watercourses - I am sure thats how you see me.
bluethrunthru
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It must be terrible living in your world full of negativity and pessimism. I really do feel sorry for people like you who can only see negatives in everything. I hope you can find a little bit of enjoyment over this long weekend.
Because thats what people do on here - if someone doesn't agree with their point of view just attack them - make up a persona so that others pile in on it.
The point I was seeking to make is the Pandemic - we know that will seriously damage the economy - the Brexit - that was already set to do harm to the economy now we seek to leave and supposedly trade with the rest of the world who will be similarly reeling from the effects of the pandemic so don't just assume we will remain their biggest market.
Now - you could have responded with a cogent argument as to how thats not the case and how its going to be brilliant but no instead avoid answering the unanswerable question and attack the poster.
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