Celtic Thread 2019/20

[GunnerGer]

Rangers don't want reconstruction either. As for the claims, there is no evidence whatsoever of that. 200 pages of utter fucking waffle. Whoever prepared this, I'm guessing Traynor, missed every point in relation to substantiating any of the claims. The fact Robertson leaked confidential business info will and should see you censured, but I wouldn't be surprised if they do fuck all. The whole thing was motivated by trying to deny us 9, that's it and all the other bluster is to get you lot angry and forget you win fuck all again.

Even reporters who support you have said it's a farce of a dossier. You took an age to produce it and after reading it, you can see why. It's utterly embarressing. I still hope we can finish it and extend the lead. Everybody knew the league was over, no more so than the punters on FF, to then claim you could win it is a fucking joke. There's an old saying that your board obviously haven't come across, when you're in a hole, stop digging.

See, this is where your way wrong, this isn't about stopping 9 in a row. There's been not 1 mention about voiding leagues. We want the games to be played if possible, & like you said, you'll win the league that way, so where does that fit in your thinking?

No, this is about the long game, a chance to start again with the governing body & remove members of a board who are incompetent, who's motives are somewhat questionable at the very least. Why do you think resignations were asked for? It's personal with these guys. There's been a feeling for years that Lawwell has too much influence, & these guys are at the forefront of that.

 

[Magicpole]

See, this is where your way wrong, this isn't about stopping 9 in a row. There's been not 1 mention about voiding leagues. We want the games to be played if possible, & like you said, you'll win the league that way, so where does that fit in your thinking?

No, this is about the long game, a chance to start again with the governing body & remove members of a board who are incompetent, who's motives are somewhat questionable at the very least. Why do you think resignations were asked for? It's personal with these guys. There's been a feeling for years that Lawwell has too much influence, & these guys are at the forefront of that.

The call for resignations was extremely serious and you needed to back that up. You couldn't because your claims were ridiculous. If the league can't be finished we get it as should be. Sadie voiding? I take it you haven't been in many rangers sites, that's all they were demanding. And as for tainted? Have a think about the EBT titles you have win they are tainted. We would have won this league in a cantor the last 8 games. Would you have won those five league's without your best players not paying tax? I doubt that very much. In fact you wouldn't. Your whole fist team would have been off to earn more elsewhere.

 

[GunnerGer]

The call for resignations was extremely serious and you needed to back that up. You couldn't because your claims were ridiculous. If the league can't be finished we get it as should be. Sadie voiding? I take it you haven't been in many rangers sites, that's all they were demanding. And as for tainted? Have a think about the EBT titles you have win they are tainted. We would have won this league in a cantor the last 8 games. Would you have won those five league's without your best players not paying tax? I doubt that very much. In fact you wouldn't. Your whole fist team would have been off to earn more elsewhere.

What's the EBT's thing got to do with it? Would we have won the league without our best players not paying tax? Do you include your players & executives with all the tax avoidance schemes they've been involved in? Or all the other tax avoidance schemes that a lot of big earners were advised were perfectly legal at the time?

Of course Rangers fans would want the league voided, most Man City fans would want the same about the EPL, but we weren't talking about the fans, we were talking about the club themselves. It must be difficult for you on this forum when most of City fans feel the same way about Liverpool winning the league.

 

[Magicpole]

What's the EBT's thing got to do with it? Would we have won the league without our best players not paying tax? Do you include your players & executives with all the tax avoidance schemes they've been involved in? Or all the other tax avoidance schemes that a lot of big earners were advised were perfectly legal at the time?

Of course Rangers fans would want the league voided, most Man City fans would want the same about the EPL, but we weren't talking about the fans, we were talking about the club themselves. It must be difficult for you on this forum when most of City fans feel the same way about Liverpool winning the league.

All of the "schemes" have been investigated and came up nothing. I mentioned the EBT because all I read is asterix titles. I was just reminding you of real titles that should have asterixs. And I don't think most City fans would be calling for it to be voided as that would be petty beyond belief. Up here it's not pretty for some reason. I wonder why. And since you brought City up. Imagine Liverpool had win 5 league's against them with players who shouldn't have been there unless they were avoiding tax? How do you think they would react to that? It wouldn't be let's just move on. They would go fucking mental..and rightly so. In Scotland us the only place you could get away with that is here. Unless it was us. If we had done it there would have been a fucking uproar.

 

[GunnerGer]

All of the "schemes" have been investigated and came up nothing. I mentioned the EBT because all I read is asterix titles. I was just reminding you of real titles that should have asterixs. And I don't think most City fans would be calling for it to be voided as that would be petty beyond belief. Up here it's not pretty for some reason. I wonder why. And since you brought City up. Imagine Liverpool had win 5 league's against them with players who shouldn't have been there unless they were avoiding tax? How do you think they would react to that? It wouldn't be let's just move on. They would go fucking mental..and rightly so. In Scotland us the only place you could get away with that is here. Unless it was us. If we had done it there would have been a fucking uproar.

Well I've read through various threads on here. Opinions range, including those from this very thread only a page or 2 back, that you can't announce league champions relegations without the leagues finishing, to folk saying just announce folk as champions as it will be the shittest way to win a title and will always be a questionable 1.

As for the tax schemes that were investigated & came up nothing, what about the Ingenious tax scheme that several Celtic players & officials (as well as Rangers & many other high profile footballers might I add).

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/hmrc-crackdown-450m-tax-avoidance-18814147

What's the difference on morality with that Tax Avoidance scheme to the 1 Rangers used. All schemes members will have been advised that these were legal loopholes, & only retrospectively did HMRC decide to go after them?
And you don't think there was an uproar in Scotland? You's pushed & pushed for it, your supporters were still meeting Doncaster only a couple of years ago about the subject. It went to the highest court in the land & got ruled on, it was hardly swept under the carpet!

Anyway, back to the current matters in hand. Perhaps our document isn't being laughed at like you said, now the promise of looking at reconstruction has been conveniently been thrown out. Now clubs are coming round now the SPFL board have used them & chucked them away.

Let's be quite clear, if the cabal have nothing to hide, then an independent investigation shouldn't find anything, so why would any right minded club be against that?

 

[Magicpole]

Well I've read through various threads on here. Opinions range, including those from this very thread only a page or 2 back, that you can't announce league champions relegations without the leagues finishing, to folk saying just announce folk as champions as it will be the shittest way to win a title and will always be a questionable 1.

As for the tax schemes that were investigated & came up nothing, what about the Ingenious tax scheme that several Celtic players & officials (as well as Rangers & many other high profile footballers might I add).

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/hmrc-crackdown-450m-tax-avoidance-18814147

What's the difference on morality with that Tax Avoidance scheme to the 1 Rangers used. All schemes members will have been advised that these were legal loopholes, & only retrospectively did HMRC decide to go after them?
And you don't think there was an uproar in Scotland? You's pushed & pushed for it, your supporters were still meeting Doncaster only a couple of years ago about the subject. It went to the highest court in the land & got ruled on, it was hardly swept under the carpet!

Anyway, back to the current matters in hand. Perhaps our document isn't being laughed at like you said, now the promise of looking at reconstruction has been conveniently been thrown out. Now clubs are coming round now the SPFL board have used them & chucked them away.

Let's be quite clear, if the cabal have nothing to hide, then an independent investigation shouldn't find anything, so why would any right minded club be against that?

Nobody wants the league to finish, but we are in a pandemic. I absolutely hope the games can be played. But I also realise that is possibly not going to happen. As for independent investigations, fine, but if you make serious allegations back them up. The dossier didn't. It just showed up a glaring gap between the accusations and the legitimacy of them. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That was missing.

 

[GunnerGer]

Nobody wants the league to finish, but we are in a pandemic. I absolutely hope the games can be played. But I also realise that is possibly not going to happen. As for independent investigations, fine, but if you make serious allegations back them up. The dossier didn't. It just showed up a glaring gap between the accusations and the legitimacy of them. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That was missing.

Rangers made 1 big claim, that there was bullying & coercing. The document didn't need to back that claim up, as other chairman had already done so.

The document wasn't hyped up by Rangers, it was others that hyped it up. The fans & media expected juicy tit bits in amongst it, but it wasn't about that. The documents main aim was is to ask questions about the corporate governance. They were very careful not to make any false accusations in it, that would be for an independent investigation to uncover.

This is an SPFL board, that has a chairman Murdoch Maclennan, who was chairman of INM Plc, an Irish media group controlled by 2 major Celtic shareholders in Denis O’Brien and Dermot Desmond, had a box at Celtic Park, & who has been quoted in a Private Eye article as saying "ah cannae stand the b*stards".

Ans also Rod Mckenzie, the legal counsel of the SPFL, who was a director of a legal firm that counted Celtic amongst their clients, who up to fairly recently had a testimonial from Lawwell on their website, a company where Lawwels daughter had a summer internship for. Rod Mckenzie, who was impartial & professional enough to allegedly say in a heated exchange "you's b*stards have cheated us for years."

And you think this is all about Rangers looking to void a league title?

 

[Magicpole]

Rangers made 1 big claim, that there was bullying & coercing. The document didn't need to back that claim up, as other chairman had already done so.

The document wasn't hyped up by Rangers, it was others that hyped it up. The fans & media expected juicy tit bits in amongst it, but it wasn't about that. The documents main aim was is to ask questions about the corporate governance. They were very careful not to make any false accusations in it, that would be for an independent investigation to uncover.

This is an SPFL board, that has a chairman Murdoch Maclennan, who was chairman of INM Plc, an Irish media group controlled by 2 major Celtic shareholders in Denis O’Brien and Dermot Desmond, had a box at Celtic Park, & who has been quoted in a Private Eye article as saying "ah cannae stand the b*stards".

Ans also Rod Mckenzie, the legal counsel of the SPFL, who was a director of a legal firm that counted Celtic amongst their clients, who up to fairly recently had a testimonial from Lawwell on their website, a company where Lawwels daughter had a summer internship for. Rod Mckenzie, who was impartial & professional enough to allegedly say in a heated exchange "you's b*stards have cheated us for years."

And you think this is all about Rangers looking to void a league title?

How many over the years on the SFA or SPFL have been Rangers men? Fucking plenty. That's ok though. Do you remember that **** Farry, head if the SFA no less who held up Cadettes signing to help you and lost his job because of it? Show me anything comparable. You turn a blind eye to the many who were in Rangers pockets, but go mad when the odd Celtic nan gets appointed. Talk about double standards? Farry was caught cheating us to help his team. If you can beat that, let's hear it.

 

[GunnerGer]

How many over the years on the SFA or SPFL have been Rangers men? Fucking plenty. That's ok though. Do you remember that **** Farry, head if the SFA no less who held up Cadettes signing to help you and lost his job because of it? Show me anything comparable. You turn a blind eye to the many who were in Rangers pockets, but go mad when the odd Celtic nan gets appointed. Talk about double standards? Farry was caught cheating us to help his team. If you can beat that, let's hear it.

And what did wee Fergus do, did he lie and take it or did he fight it? Yet you guys have a go at us for doing the same? You know who investigated that & ruled on that, an independent commission, exactly what we are asking for.

Lawwells influence has been there for years, he phoned SFA chairman George Petrie asking him not to extend the league when we reached the Uefa Cup final. He extended it by 3 days, meaning we had to play 5 games in 10 days in 3 competitions. Unsurprisingly we burnt out & u won the league. You cited Sporting Integrity, & that you had a pre season tour of Japan arranged. Did you ever go on that tour by the way?

 

[Magicpole]

And what did wee Fergus do, did he lie and take it or did he fight it? Yet you guys have a go at us for doing the same?

Lawwells influence has been there for years, he phoned SFA chairman George Petrie asking him not to extend the league when we reached the Uefa Cup final. He extended it by 3 days, meaning we had to play 5 games in 10 days in 3 competitions. Unsurprisingly we burnt out & u won the league. You cited Sporting Integrity, & that you had a pre season tour of Japan arranged. Did you ever go on that tour by the way?

No no no. I don't have a problem.with you taking ****s in if wrong doing is happening. The difference is wee Fergus had the goods on Farry. I hate corruption and cheating and want it fucked over. You need to be able to prove it and if you do I will say fair play to you. But, the dossier was a farce.

 

[GunnerGer]

No no no. I don't have a problem.with you taking ****s in if wrong doing is happening. The difference is wee Fergus had the goods on Farry. I hate corruption and cheating and want it fucked over. You need to be able to prove it and if you do I will say fair play to you. But, the dossier was a farce.

Did wee Fergus have proof, or did he rely on the Independent Enquiry to find that out? An independent enquiry will have access to emails, call logs, text messages etc that Rangers will not have.

 

[Magicpole]

Did wee Fergus have proof, or did he rely on the Independent Enquiry to find that out? An independent enquiry will have access to emails, call logs, text messages etc that Rangers will not have.

You're missing the point. And that is he had proof. Or the enquiry would have laughed him out of it. Proof. Come up with that and you're good to go. Fail and you are a laughing stock. Over to your board.

 

[GunnerGer]

You're missing the point. And that is he had proof. Or the enquiry would have laughed him out of it. Proof. Come up with that and you're good to go. Fail and you are a laughing stock. Over to your board.

What, the proof that other chairmen feel they've been coerced & bullied into making a vote, that they've been mislead with regards payments that could have been made, that they've been misled by the promise of reconstruction? Statements that several other executives have already made?

 

[Magicpole]

What, the proof that other chairmen feel they've been coerced & bullied into making a vote, that they've been mislead with regards payments that could have been made, that they've been misled by the promise of reconstruction? Statements that several other executives have already made?

None of that was evidenced. That the accusations you made, if it was true why is the proof of it missing from the dossier.

 

[GunnerGer]

None of that was evidenced. That the accusations you made, if it was true why is the proof of it missing from the dossier.

That's the thing mate, this isn't just 1 club vs the SPFL board. This is a board who's sole purpose is meant to be to serve the needs of the 42 clubs. However several of these clubs now have came out and raised grave concerns with the voting process, with withheld information, misinformation, false promises of reconstruction etc. This isn't just a Rangers vs SPFL matter. We're now at a point where nearly a quarter of the clubs have put out statements seriously questioning governance. That itself is very concerning.

 

[bennyboy]

The Dundee fiasco was the start of an all mighty feck up that is still rumbling on now.
The whole thing should have stopped there.
Amateur hour.

 

[Magicpole]

That's the thing mate, this isn't just 1 club vs the SPFL board. This is a board who's sole purpose is meant to be to serve the needs of the 42 clubs. However several of these clubs now have came out and raised grave concerns with the voting process, with withheld information, misinformation, false promises of reconstruction etc. This isn't just a Rangers vs SPFL matter. We're now at a point where nearly a quarter of the clubs have put out statements seriously questioning governance. That itself is very concerning.

Well that may be the case, but why has nobody backed the dossier? If there has been fuckabootery then when that's proved heads will roll. The view I have us there is no evidence, but if there is, stop talking about it and present it.

 

[GunnerGer]

Well that may be the case, but why has nobody backed the dossier? If there has been fuckabootery then when that's proved heads will roll. The view I have us there is no evidence, but if there is, stop talking about it and present it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52607267

 

[Magicpole]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52607267

He's the mad Rangers fan. Haven't you read about him. Ex Rangers Sales manager claimed to be working with Rangers from the off? Oh for fuck sake they have just made my day. This will be fucking comedy gold. The gift that never stops giving. Thanks for making me laugh out loud.

Hesm to be taking over from Stewart Robertson. When he leaves very soon.

 

[Magicpole]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52607267

It's all coming out with that fucking ****. He was behind a plan to get all four league's voided. All emerging and I bet you that leads back to Rangers door, putting the **** up to it. This civil.war you're having with everybody is going to end in even more humiliation for you. Your ace in the hole is a fucking plant. Doing the dirty for his beloved gers. Fucking loving how this is turning out. :).