Facebook crack down on fake news campaign targeting City

He’s deputy PM of the UAE & Minister for Presidential Affairs
Well, you are just showing your ignorance. If Wricko wants to take the high ground he needs to get basic facts right. Titles don't mean the same there as they do here.
Mansour chairs or sits on important quangos and is influential, but not responsible for gov policy. Min of Pres. Affairs means "gatekeeper". His title of Dep PM is honorific due to his status in the family and the services he renders. The gov of AD is the Exec Council, ADEC. (Trans. 'Cabinet' in Uk terms.) He is not a member.
 
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The inconsistency that infuriates me most about the way we are treated by some in the media and rival fans is that they tell us it’s wrong for MCFC to receive investment/income from the UAE but somehow not perceived as an issue elsewhere. Regardless of whether City is owned by a state or not those that attack City fans because we support a team with those connections seem to say that other clubs or Footballing organisations are not an issue. The following is a simplistic view but it’s overlooked by others: Arsenal have been receiving transformational income from the UAE for longer than City has via Emirates (an airline like Etihad from the UAE established & managed in a similar way). Similarly, the FA - and therefore every club that enters the FA Cup - receives significant sponsorship from that company. When people (like Piers Morgan who told City fans to boycott our club because of the UAE investment) are challenged on why it’s okay for AFC or the FA but not MCFC they often go quiet, fail to see the issue or say ‘ah, but we don’t receive as much’, proving it’s nothing to do with a state investing, human rights or any thing else... it’s about one club getting something and others not. I know that’s simplistic but if the people who continually challenged MCFC fans about their support did the same to fans of Arsenal AND every club that willingly enters the FA Cup knowing where the sponsorship comes from then that’s fine. Until then it looks like a football club’s fan base is being targeted. Some will say ‘but that’s only sponsorship... well sponsors are using clubs/competitions to sell products/lifestyle etc. so why is that any different from the idea of sportswashing? Sponsors can make sports and clubs change direction, change policies, buy players etc.

Football clubs have choices. They can reject sponsorship deals and investment; they can pull out of tournaments. If they don’t and they receive income from the same places MCFC does then neither they, nor their fans, nor the media, can criticise City on ethical grounds without criticising the others.
Oddly the sports-washing argument gets dropped when international football is played, or when the the UK hosts a major sporting event. UK journalists are not shy of criticising some foreign regime but they get shy when it comes to criticising their own state when really that should be their most important social function.
 
Don't kid yourself. The majority of podcasts are made by people who want to benefit themselves further down the line.

That’s becoming more evident with it getting a bit harder to make a living in the media during the pandemic. Even some City podcasters are trying to be a bit Arsenal TV or Utd Stand!

I agree with most of this. It all depends on your definition of the word agenda. It is clear that Qatar and Abu Dhabi are involved in an information war so you could argue that Qatar has an agenda against Abu Dhabi which impacts on City. You could also argue that United and Liverpool have an agenda against City because of commercial and personal rivalries.
There have certainly been smear campaigns against City from various sources and a lot of skullduggery and corruption has been involved. It doesn't mean that all these campaigns are joined up. But what it does mean is that we have a lot of powerful enemies.
The Rags and Liverpool FC will take any opportunity to knife City in the back. For example I think it is very doubtful that these rival clubs were involved in the Rui Pinto hack but they have certainly enjoyed fanning the flames behind the scenes. LFC were certainly behind the letters to the Premier League and UEFA, and United have been pouring poison into journalists' ears about City for at least the last decade.

Arsenal have been as prominent in letters to the Prem, CAS etc as Utd or Liverpool. City and Chelsea have shown up football club owners who don’t invest in their football clubs to the fan bases of these clubs. Strangely, the “human rights activists” aren’t interested in the collusion between between American owners but are happy to spout about the risk of Arab owners colluding, even though their countries have been historical enemies.
 
The inconsistency that infuriates me most about the way we are treated by some in the media and rival fans is that they tell us it’s wrong for MCFC to receive investment/income from the UAE but somehow not perceived as an issue elsewhere. Regardless of whether City is owned by a state or not those that attack City fans because we support a team with those connections seem to say that other clubs or Footballing organisations are not an issue. The following is a simplistic view but it’s overlooked by others: Arsenal have been receiving transformational income from the UAE for longer than City has via Emirates (an airline like Etihad from the UAE established & managed in a similar way). Similarly, the FA - and therefore every club that enters the FA Cup - receives significant sponsorship from that company. When people (like Piers Morgan who told City fans to boycott our club because of the UAE investment) are challenged on why it’s okay for AFC or the FA but not MCFC they often go quiet, fail to see the issue or say ‘ah, but we don’t receive as much’, proving it’s nothing to do with a state investing, human rights or any thing else... it’s about one club getting something and others not. I know that’s simplistic but if the people who continually challenged MCFC fans about their support did the same to fans of Arsenal AND every club that willingly enters the FA Cup knowing where the sponsorship comes from then that’s fine. Until then it looks like a football club’s fan base is being targeted. Some will say ‘but that’s only sponsorship... well sponsors are using clubs/competitions to sell products/lifestyle etc. so why is that any different from the idea of sportswashing? Sponsors can make sports and clubs change direction, change policies, buy players etc.

Football clubs have choices. They can reject sponsorship deals and investment; they can pull out of tournaments. If they don’t and they receive income from the same places MCFC does then neither they, nor their fans, nor the media, can criticise City on ethical grounds without criticising the others.
Ah, but Gary, we are "rats".
 
That’s becoming more evident with it getting a bit harder to make a living in the media during the pandemic. Even some City podcasters are trying to be a bit Arsenal TV or Utd Stand!



Arsenal have been as prominent in letters to the Prem, CAS etc as Utd or Liverpool. City and Chelsea have shown up football club owners who don’t invest in their football clubs to the fan bases of these clubs. Strangely, the “human rights activists” aren’t interested in the collusion between between American owners but are happy to spout about the risk of Arab owners colluding, even though their countries have been historical enemies.
I think Arsenal were especially bitter when Wenger was there and were certainly behind the first letter but I believe Liverpool have been driving a lot of the more recent activity. The round-robin letter to other clubs before Christmas urging action over the Der Spiegel claims came from LFC. I also think most of the UEFA leaks came indirectly via Fenway though Gill may also have been involved with the New York Times. It was Liverpool who hacked our systems and promoted those resposible for that criminality.
It's bizarre isn't it that the bitter rivals of United and Liverpool should be on the same side though I believe it is more opportunism than a formal alliance between those old enemies against City. I am glad some of this despicable corruption is finally coming out and have always believed City should be more proactive in defending our position.
 
David, you mention Occam’s razor which is not a bad logical tool to adopt, so I ask you this. Is it more probable that the campaign of actual fake news that Facebook has identified is a one-off that has now been quashed, or is the likelihood that whoever is responsible for that campaign against City has also adopted other strategies as part of a wider strategy to denigrate Manchester City, and perhaps thereby denigrate the UAE?

if the latter, is the likelihood that the campaign is limited to fake news, or is it more likely that a range of strategies are adopted, including reporting that whilst not containing outright falsehoods is nonetheless not fair and balanced, a tendency to concentrate on pieces that show a City in a negative light, a tendency to act in ways that tarnish stories that show City in a positive light, and so on?

Again, if the latter, is the likelihood that whoever is responsible for this campaign will confine himself to a relatively unknown media outlet, or is it more likely that he would wish to engage more mainstream outlets?

And finally, if the latter, is it probable that the individual journalists who would be most likely to become inveigled in such a scheme would be the well established journalists, or is it more likely to be those who are younger, less financially secure, and more susceptible to being rewarded for producing output that seeks to further the same objectives as the discredited fake news stories?
Spot-on. What Facebook uncovered is clearly the tip of a very large iceberg. People have different definitions on what constitutes "Fake News" but it is a lot more subtle than a few false stories on Twitter.
 
Spot-on. What Facebook uncovered is clearly the tip of a very large iceberg. People have different definitions on what constitutes "Fake News" but it is a lot more subtle than a few false stories on Twitter.

Twitter is just as bad if not worse. Any positive article tweeted there are loads of reply’s by scousers and bots doing the bingo calling. If you look at those twitter accounts they mainly have less than 20 followers with them following hundreds it’s Fenway cheating fcukers.
 
Ha, there have been so many agendas. Half the posters on here, calling me out were convinced all our cup draws were fixed, but have gone very quiet on that of late.

One of the best agenda theories was when a bloke was interviewed on sky and later bit of footage showed him in a United shirt. All hell broke lose on here, allegations made he was a plant until it transpired he was a blue but wearing a utd shirt for a stag do, bet etc. Never has a thread been so quickly removed and never been discussed again.

You’ve put in a great effort Frank and I’m nipping to Aldi for a bucket of popcorn in case this thread kicks off again. It reminds me of when we had a laugh in a boozer before the last Fulham Away game when I was getting pellets for sticking up for Supporters Clubs. Thankfully many Bluemooners cane round to my way of thinking over time, so you are definitely still in this debate mate.

On a wider point, the behaviour of the anti City “human rights activists” remind of when rappers started to appear in each other’s videos and that boosted all their profiles and sales. It was a win win scenario and I’m not sure if money needed to change hands (between the rappers). Many journos might benefit by criticising City, although very few might be paid for their services by Qatar.
 
Well, you are just showing your ignorance. If Wricko wants to take the high ground he needs to get basic facts right. Titles don't mean the same there as they do here.
Mansour chairs or sits on important quangos and is influential, but not responsible for gov policy. Min of Pres. Affairs means "gatekeeper". His title of Dep PM is honorific due to his status in the family and the services he renders. The gov of AD is the Exec Council, ADEC. (Trans. 'Cabinet' in Uk terms.) He is not a member.

oooh pardon my ignorance I got the information
from the official UAE Government website
as I said UAE NOT Abu Dhabi
He is listed under the “Key Members of Government” of which he a member of the cabinet
Seems to me that his position is more than just titular

https://www.uae-embassy.org/about-uae/about-government/key-members-government
 
You’ve put in a great effort Frank and I’m nipping to Aldi for a bucket of popcorn in case this thread kicks off again. It reminds me of when we had a laugh in a boozer before the last Fulham Away game when I was getting pellets for sticking up for Supporters Clubs. Thankfully many Bluemooners cane round to my way of thinking over time, so you are definitely still in this debate mate.

On a wider point, the behaviour of the anti City “human rights activists” remind of when rappers started to appear in each other’s videos and that boosted all their profiles and sales. It was a win win scenario and I’m not sure if money needed to change hands (between the rappers). Many journos might benefit by criticising City, although very few might be paid for their services by Qatar.

Cheers pal, I do indeed remember it. It was an early kick off and coincided with a works party the night before. Never has queueing up, outside a pub, waiting for a pint of lager been less appetising.

I think my chances of changing perceptions are pretty slim because ultimately a lot of the press we do receive is poor, and so posters, including myself, are quite right to be peeved off about it and I myself have noticed a ramping up of negativity these last 2 years.

The main difference is the motivations for posting it and the possible collusion involved where my views differ.

Interesting point in your last paragraph. With social media and the like undoubtedly journos or influencers, seeking followers/likes would follow trends and how the wind blows to maximise their popularity and exposure as its beneficial to their own profile. Similar to click bait in papers, but the difference being its 24/7 and anyone can express a view on this platform.

Don't bother microwaving the popcorn though, as I will be heading out shortly.
 

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