UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Kazzydeyna]

Taking into account the statement from the CEO regarding our innocence of all the charges with regard to breaching FFP I cannot see how we can accept any judgement of wrongdoing resulting in any form of ban or fine. If we do accept any such derevation I would expect his resignation as by accepting such we will have admitted we did wrong and he will be painted as a liar. Not sure his position would be tenable.

I've looked at the evidence as presented by der Spiegel previously and if neither we as a club or persons involved have given further evidence (which is what I suspect given the none compliance charge) or Etihad have divulged anything further then UEFA will have struggled to ascertain any further credible evidence as to our guilt of the alleged charges. I have tried to reconcile this with the fact that their evidence has allegedly been examined by a selection of high court judges within the IAC who have declared we have a substantial case to answer. The two sets of facts do not balance well meaning either they have more evidence than given credit for, although it's current source remains unknown, or the IAC judges have come to decisions totally without justification and questions as to impartiality would have to asked.

In any event CAS decisions are made public and it will make interesting reading. It should mean that all the evidence is laid bare for all to see. If we are innocent and this is upheld, it should mean that those responsible for the witch hunt are exposed and should lose their jobs as a minimum. I am unsure that if certain facts are revealed which would normally not be available to the general public if they would be included in any such summation or if they would be redacted on account of company privacy.

If it is our CEO and others proven to be at fault, then internally heads should roll and we will be finished in the short term. A Premier League investigation may follow the sanctions from which are unimaginable. There may even be criminal charges as we will have been caught cooking the books, which is a criminal offence.

The whole perception of the clubs integrity worldwide and by association HH SM and Abu Dhabi is at stake, make no mistake we cannot be found guilty by CAS as the repercussions don't bear thinking about. If you think our press is bad now just imagine the indignation from the written and rest of the press pack should we be proven guilty. (By any degree). Nothing less than full exhoneration is required.

The reckoning approaches.

As potentially doomsday like as your post reads I have to say I agree with every word of it. FWIW I am very confident we are totally innocent, mainly based on blind faith as a fan but also on the extremely bullish initial response from the club and Soriano in particular.

I do not pretend to be an expert on middle eastern culture but from what I know, to be proven a liar would be deeply damaging and it is this reason that leads me to think Soriano wouldnt have been so hugely indignant and combative in the aftermath of the ban. Quite simply I believe the club due to my own faith in them but also by following what I believe to be simple logic - to be SO combative and aggressive even in our immediate statement following the ban, tels me the club have proof of their innocence.

Never discount the possibility that uefa and their string pullers may have thought "sod the aftermath, let's do them now. By the time the truth comes out (and they'll probably push for a NDA in the judgement) the world will have judged them and plenty of mud will stick regardless of the truth"

Make no mistake, the stakes aren't simply can we play in europe for a year or two, the stakes are the very future of the club.

I expect us to win and I await the victory with relish.

 

[mat]

I hope the club go in for the kill.

My concern is UEFA will offer some concessions and we'll take that instead only to get fucked over again in another 5 years.

 

[levets]

#ManCity are 'primed and ready to go' in their bid to overturn their two-year Champions League ban. The process has been delayed by the coronavirus crisis, but City’s lawyers are in a position where they can put their case forward with minimal notice.

#ManCity have assured Pep Guardiola and his squad that they are innocent of the UEFA charges against them. The club are confident there will be no mass exodus, and remain convinced they will clear their name when they put their case to an independent tribunal. [
@MullockSMirror

#ManCity are 'primed and ready to go' in their bid to overturn their two-year Champions League ban. The process has been delayed by the coronavirus crisis, but City’s lawyers are in a position where they can put their case forward with minimal notice.

#ManCity have assured Pep Guardiola and his squad that they are innocent of the UEFA charges against them. The club are confident there will be no mass exodus, and remain convinced they will clear their name when they put their case to an independent tribunal. [
@MullockSMirror

A #ManCity source: “Our appeal has been fully prepared. The only thing we're waiting for is a date to be set aside. We've been putting our case together for more than a year because UEFA’s stance made it clear how this situation was going to be played out.” [
@MullockSMirror

He is a good source ? @Prestwich_Blue

A #ManCity source: “Our appeal has been fully prepared. The only thing we're waiting for is a date to be set aside. We've been putting our case together for more than a year because UEFA’s stance made it clear how this situation was going to be played out.” [
@MullockSMirror

He is a good source ? @Prestwich_Blue

alongside M Blackburn, he is most reliable id say.

 

[richards30]

Can’t imagine khaldoon will have been blagging all this time that we are clean when we aren’t? Soriano might be the CEO but he still would have to have things approved by mansour, khaldoon and the board?!

 

[Grassland Blue]

I believe that we are innocent of any wrongdoing.
The problem is, even if things go our way, some clubs' supporters will not accept that we are not corrupt and retain suspicion about us in their minds.
We really need to put this to bed and sue Der Spiegel and UEFA for reputational damage.

 

[andyhinch]

I believe that we are innocent of any wrongdoing.
The problem is, even if things go our way, some clubs' supporters will not accept that we are not corrupt and retain suspicion about us in their minds.
We really need to put this to bed and sue Der Spiegel and UEFA for reputational damage.

Fuck them, fuck them all

 

[Grassland Blue]

Fuck them, fuck them all

Absolutely!

 

[franksinatra]

Taking into account the statement from the CEO regarding our innocence of all the charges with regard to breaching FFP I cannot see how we can accept any judgement of wrongdoing resulting in any form of ban or fine. If we do accept any such derevation I would expect his resignation as by accepting such we will have admitted we did wrong and he will be painted as a liar. Not sure his position would be tenable.

I've looked at the evidence as presented by der Spiegel previously and if neither we as a club or persons involved have given further evidence (which is what I suspect given the none compliance charge) or Etihad have divulged anything further then UEFA will have struggled to ascertain any further credible evidence as to our guilt of the alleged charges. I have tried to reconcile this with the fact that their evidence has allegedly been examined by a selection of high court judges within the IAC who have declared we have a substantial case to answer. The two sets of facts do not balance well meaning either they have more evidence than given credit for, although it's current source remains unknown, or the IAC judges have come to decisions totally without justification and questions as to impartiality would have to asked.

In any event CAS decisions are made public and it will make interesting reading. It should mean that all the evidence is laid bare for all to see. If we are innocent and this is upheld, it should mean that those responsible for the witch hunt are exposed and should lose their jobs as a minimum. I am unsure that if certain facts are revealed which would normally not be available to the general public if they would be included in any such summation or if they would be redacted on account of company privacy.

If it is our CEO and others proven to be at fault, then internally heads should roll and we will be finished in the short term. A Premier League investigation may follow the sanctions from which are unimaginable. There may even be criminal charges as we will have been caught cooking the books, which is a criminal offence.

The whole perception of the clubs integrity worldwide and by association HH SM and Abu Dhabi is at stake, make no mistake we cannot be found guilty by CAS as the repercussions don't bear thinking about. If you think our press is bad now just imagine the indignation from the written and rest of the press pack should we be proven guilty. (By any degree). Nothing less than full exhoneration is required.

The reckoning approaches.

Written like that, its pretty frightening the overall consequences of the CAS appeal. Lets just hope we prove beyond doubt our innocence.

 

[Paladin]

I believe that we are innocent of any wrongdoing.
The problem is, even if things go our way, some clubs' supporters will not accept that we are not corrupt and retain suspicion about us in their minds.
We really need to put this to bed and sue Der Spiegel and UEFA for reputational damage.

What could we sue Der Spiegel for? All they have done is publish some leaked information. But the information was correct. It's other that have put a spin on the information and not looked at them in context.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Taking into account the statement from the CEO regarding our innocence of all the charges with regard to breaching FFP I cannot see how we can accept any judgement of wrongdoing resulting in any form of ban or fine. If we do accept any such derevation I would expect his resignation as by accepting such we will have admitted we did wrong and he will be painted as a liar. Not sure his position would be tenable.

I've looked at the evidence as presented by der Spiegel previously and if neither we as a club or persons involved have given further evidence (which is what I suspect given the none compliance charge) or Etihad have divulged anything further then UEFA will have struggled to ascertain any further credible evidence as to our guilt of the alleged charges. I have tried to reconcile this with the fact that their evidence has allegedly been examined by a selection of high court judges within the IAC who have declared we have a substantial case to answer. The two sets of facts do not balance well meaning either they have more evidence than given credit for, although it's current source remains unknown, or the IAC judges have come to decisions totally without justification and questions as to impartiality would have to asked.

In any event CAS decisions are made public and it will make interesting reading. It should mean that all the evidence is laid bare for all to see. If we are innocent and this is upheld, it should mean that those responsible for the witch hunt are exposed and should lose their jobs as a minimum. I am unsure that if certain facts are revealed which would normally not be available to the general public if they would be included in any such summation or if they would be redacted on account of company privacy.

If it is our CEO and others proven to be at fault, then internally heads should roll and we will be finished in the short term. A Premier League investigation may follow the sanctions from which are unimaginable. There may even be criminal charges as we will have been caught cooking the books, which is a criminal offence.

The whole perception of the clubs integrity worldwide and by association HH SM and Abu Dhabi is at stake, make no mistake we cannot be found guilty by CAS as the repercussions don't bear thinking about. If you think our press is bad now just imagine the indignation from the written and rest of the press pack should we be proven guilty. (By any degree). Nothing less than full exhoneration is required.

The reckoning approaches.

That is the bit that has troubled me ever since the announcement......

 

[King KdB of Belgium]

There is an interesting case due at CAS on June 26th. it is listed as the Football Association v FIFA. that is all it says. I just wonder what that is really about. It doesn't state which football association it is, but as it is in English it has got to be ours. There is still no date been given about our court

 

[King KdB of Belgium]

Grassland Blue that is what I have been saying all along. The problem about going for Der Speigel is I do not know if they have in Germany a law similar to our libel law. If they do then let's start the ball rolling. We can still do Der Speigel for theft, even though they printed the story in Germany the theft was on our data base and therefore happend in this country. We want substantial damages if this bankrupts them then so be it.

 

[Centurions]

There is an interesting case due at CAS on June 26th. it is listed as the Football Association v FIFA. that is all it says. I just wonder what that is really about. It doesn't state which football association it is, but as it is in English it has got to be ours. There is still no date been given about our court

There's this new thing called a search engine, it's really easy to use.

https://resources.fifa.com/image/up...enang-v-fifa.pdf?cloudid=mrvwwavaqcijhye4skyc

 

[old blue]

Grassland Blue that is what I have been saying all along. The problem about going for Der Speigel is I do not know if they have in Germany a law similar to our libel law. If they do then let's start the ball rolling. We can still do Der Speigel for theft, even though they printed the story in Germany the theft was on our data base and therefore happend in this country. We want substantial damages if this bankrupts them then so be it.

Would you, perchance, have a figure for damages in your mind? :-)

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

That is the bit that has troubled me ever since the announcement......

They're not sitting as judges within an independent judiciary though. They aren't an appeal court. Let's say you'd been the defendant in a legal case but hadn't been allowed in court, your defence team hadn't been allowed to present your case, you weren't even clear whether the panel of judges had even seen the evidence in your defence and the judges had been appointed by the plaintiff. Would you have faith that due process had been followed and that the verdict finding you guilty was entirely fair? I somehow doubt it.

Particularly if you also knew that the person who oversaw that court had been offering you a plea bargain months beforehand, clearly suggesting they could influence the outcome.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

I believe that we are innocent of any wrongdoing.
The problem is, even if things go our way, some clubs' supporters will not accept that we are not corrupt and retain suspicion about us in their minds.
We really need to put this to bed and sue Der Spiegel and UEFA for reputational damage.

The ‘news’ papers will be full of ‘City get away with it’. So need to worry on that score.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

@Kinkys Left Foot

Regarding this part:
"In any event CAS decisions are made public and it will make interesting reading."

I think the decision statement is published. Full details are only published if both sides agree - which presumably is there for the commercial interest side you referred to.

 

[asahartford1]

They're not sitting as judges within an independent judiciary though. They aren't an appeal court. Let's say you'd been the defendant in a legal case but hadn't been allowed in court, your defence team hadn't been allowed to present your case, you weren't even clear whether the panel of judges had even seen the evidence in your defence and the judges had been appointed by the plaintiff. Would you have faith that due process had been followed and that the verdict finding you guilty was entirely fair? I somehow doubt it.

Particularly if you also knew that the person who oversaw that court had been offering you a plea bargain months beforehand, clearly suggesting they could influence the outcome.

If they offered a plea bargain, hopefully all phone calls are recorded.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

They're not sitting as judges within an independent judiciary though. They aren't an appeal court. Let's say you'd been the defendant in a legal case but hadn't been allowed in court, your defence team hadn't been allowed to present your case, you weren't even clear whether the panel of judges had even seen the evidence in your defence and the judges had been appointed by the plaintiff. Would you have faith that due process had been followed and that the verdict finding you guilty was entirely fair? I somehow doubt it.

Particularly if you also knew that the person who oversaw that court had been offering you a plea bargain months beforehand, clearly suggesting they could influence the outcome.

Is that what they call a ‘Kangaroo Court’.

 

[The Colonel]

I hope the club go in for the kill.

My concern is UEFA will offer some concessions and we'll take that instead only to get fucked over again in another 5 years.

No chance, not this time. We’re paying for making that mistake last time now.