COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[sir baconface]

Any news on dogging ?

Wednesday .

Could you move it to Thursday, please?

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Apparently the government has just had to correct what Raab had said by now saying it’s only ok to meet 1 member of family in park. What the fuck!?

How big do they think our f*ing parks are?

 

[EL APACHE TEVEZ]

It’s an absolute circus,Coco and his chimps havnt a fuckin clue what their doing.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Anyway, more importantly, who has gone to work today?

 

[sir baconface]

London chamber of comerce advising businesses in the capital to change nothing yet until a detailed plan how to manage this.

The TUC has told workers to utulize section 44 of the employment rights act to refuse to work if your workplace isn't safe to do so, under the act you cannot face any recriminations for refusing.

See Section 44.1(d) and Section 44.1(e) below:

(d) in circumstances of danger which the employee reasonably believed to be serious and imminent and which he could not reasonably have been expected to avert, he left (or proposed to leave) or (while the danger persisted) refused to return to his place of work or any dangerous part of his place of work, or

(e) in circumstances of danger which the employee reasonably believed to be serious and imminent, he took (or proposed to take) appropriate steps to protect himself or other persons from the danger.

This is fair enough IMO, whatever your political leanings.

People need to get realistic and start planning to return to work wherever feasible. By the same token, even though risk can’t be totally eliminated during a pandemic, they can’t be expected to put themselves at undue risk. Common sense, really.

 

[Cityfan]

How big do they think our f*ing parks are?

I think they are more concerned about the other parks, dogging has fallen during the outbreak.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I've been thinking about Boris' announcement yesterday and you know I am seriously wondering if the government is fully expecting these relaxations to fail?

Of course i am no expert and may well be wrong, but it seems obvious to me that we are perilously close to an R of 1 and that therefore any increase in activity which involves more people mingling (such as going to work!) will push it over 1. If R was significantly lower than 1, surely you'd see death rates falling dramatically (on average) every day, but they are not. Yes they are falling, but not dramatically. Our death rates have halved over the last 4 weeks, but that is not a precipitous drop. In fact the 7-day moving average deaths rates are falling only by around 21% - 22% per week. That equates to an R of around 0.97! (Of course the maths is a lot more complicated because of delays between infections and death rates etc, but it's a reasonable estimate.)

I am convinced the reason for the relaxations - modest though they are - are driven by political pressure to get the economy moving again to the greatest degree possible, as soon as possible. Not by any confidence that the virus is sufficiently under control that we can ease off.

And I am also convinced they we will start to see a reversal in the previously declining figures and infection and death rates start to pick up again. I think a return to lock down is inevitable, and I am wondering if the government knows this, and that we are simply going through this step so it can say to those pushing for an early return to work "see - we told you it was too early". That would IMO fit with Boris' very cautious language yesterday where he made it very plain that these relaxations were conditional upon the figures remaining stable or declining and any increases will mean we are back in lockdown again.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Germany?

Sorry, yes Germany. Edited now

 

[markbmcfc]

All I know is that if Boris says its between 0.5 and 0.9, then its 0.9.

 

[dickie davies]

I posted a while ago that I believed I contracted the virus before the lockdown suffering the sore throat, chest pains and flemmy cough. My two daughters were also hit hard by something, but wifey wasn't and has shown no signs of any illness
So I reckon us four have all had the virus with three of us being poorly

Is it still correct that it's highly unlikely that you can contract the virus twice?

Where are we calculated in government figures for contracting the virus?

Where are we in regards to the "R" calculation figure?

 

[Rammy Blue]

I've been thinking about Boris' announcement yesterday and you know I am seriously wondering if the government is fully expecting these relaxations to fail?

Of course i am no expert and may well be wrong, but it seems obvious to me that we are perilously close to an R of 1 and that therefore any increase in activity which involves more people mingling (such as going to work!) will push it over 1. If R was significantly lower than 1, surely you'd see death rates falling dramatically (on average) every day, but they are not. Yes they are falling, but not dramatically. Our death rates have halved over the last 4 weeks, but that is not a precipitous drop. In fact the 7-day moving average deaths rates are falling only by around 21% - 22% per week. That equates to an R of around 0.97!

I am convinced the reason for the relaxations - modest though they are - are driven by political pressure to get the economy moving again to the greatest degree possible, as soon as possible. Not by any confidence that the virus is sufficiently under control that we can ease off.

And I am also convinced they we will start to see a reversal in the previously declining figures and infection and death rates start to pick up again. I think a return to lock down is inevitable, and I am wondering if the government knows this, and that we are simply going through this step so it can say to those pushing for an early return to work "see - we told you it was too early". That would IMO fit with Boris' very cautious language yesterday where he made it very plain that these relaxations were conditional upon the figures remaining stable or declining and any increases will mean we are back in lockdown again.

May well be right, but as was posted earlier, there was an article from BBC showing that pretty much the whole of Western Europe has relaxed their lockdowns as of today, and tbh we have probably relaxed ours the least in comparison. We will see.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Can anyone else smell strawberries ?

 

[sir baconface]

Cornflakes you might as well eat the cardboard.

I will wait until the official guidance at 2pm before making a final decision.

Grrrrreat.

 

[bluemoon32]

Haha, the faces on the furloughed people coming into work this morning, ranged from deliriously happy to suicidal.
Nice to see the lazy fcukers back :)

 

[robbieh]

May well be right, but as was posted earlier, there was an article from BBC showing that pretty much the whole of Western Europe has relaxed their lockdowns as of today, and tbh we have probably relaxed ours the least in comparison. We will see.

Can only speak for Spain here. But like most people for 7 weeks I left the house maximum twice a week for shopping. The streets were empty. This worked at least as far as getting the initially very high numbers down.

I don't think the UK is at that point yet.

Even here despite the easing I think most people know it won't take much to reverse all the good work


The economy is obviously a different and as of yet untold story

 

[Phil1]

May well be right, but as was posted earlier, there was an article from BBC showing that pretty much the whole of Western Europe has relaxed their lockdowns as of today, and tbh we have probably relaxed ours the least in comparison. We will see.

To balance that out though your lockdown was already more relaxed than many in Western Europe. You were also about 2 weeks behind the likes of Spain and Italy so would make sense that those who’ve had serious restrictions before you would start to ease before you.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I've been thinking about Boris' announcement yesterday and you know I am seriously wondering if the government is fully expecting these relaxations to fail?

Of course i am no expert and may well be wrong, but it seems obvious to me that we are perilously close to an R of 1 and that therefore any increase in activity which involves more people mingling (such as going to work!) will push it over 1. If R was significantly lower than 1, surely you'd see death rates falling dramatically (on average) every day, but they are not. Yes they are falling, but not dramatically. Our death rates have halved over the last 4 weeks, but that is not a precipitous drop. In fact the 7-day moving average deaths rates are falling only by around 21% - 22% per week. That equates to an R of around 0.97! (Of course the maths is a lot more complicated because of delays between infections and death rates etc, but it's a reasonable estimate.)

I am convinced the reason for the relaxations - modest though they are - are driven by political pressure to get the economy moving again to the greatest degree possible, as soon as possible. Not by any confidence that the virus is sufficiently under control that we can ease off.

And I am also convinced they we will start to see a reversal in the previously declining figures and infection and death rates start to pick up again. I think a return to lock down is inevitable, and I am wondering if the government knows this, and that we are simply going through this step so it can say to those pushing for an early return to work "see - we told you it was too early". That would IMO fit with Boris' very cautious language yesterday where he made it very plain that these relaxations were conditional upon the figures remaining stable or declining and any increases will mean we are back in lockdown again.

Death rates depend on what happened 3 weeks ago.
It's hospital admissions that are the stat to watch.
New cases just seem to iindicate how much testing is taking place.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

I'm not aRsed: /

 

[urban genie]

We are mass testing.

Selectively mass testing, we failed to test i many areas we should have early on

What is successful? The virus is still out there, no vaccine or tablets available to make sure you don't fall ill. Some countries have made the initial wave smaller but it just means they'll have many short waves. Be interesting to see how it all pans out, I predict no vaccine.

True even the countries that were successful at keeping numbers down are seeing resurgences since easing restrictions


If you look at 1918 1958 and 1967 pandemics, the second waves were bad if not worse than the first

 

[flook]

it’s a tricky one. I still don’t understand the logic if junior school kids going into school ahead of senior school kids.

senior school kids have more important learning to do and Generally can follow social distancing rules better I would expect.

I suspect that's at least in part economy driven, releases working mums (or dads) to go back to work