You are so naïve pushing this point that players wouldn’t want to play for us if we hardballed one of them lol.Pull factor - telling Sanchez's agent to fuck off? Ok, haha!! Surely if we were using the clubs size as a pull factor he would have come here because of the club, not gone elsewhere for more money. That strategy worked out well didn't it.
Who mentioned selling KDB or Sterling for £20m to Real Madrid?
It's disgusting because you're advocating forcing someone to do something they don't want to do, with no guaranteed outcome, just so a business can benefit. I bet if that was your company trying to get you to sign a contract forcing you to work in conditions you didn't want to (extra hours, locations, situations etc) without guaranteeing additional pay or benefits you wouldn't sign it and you'd be wanting to take legal action. Think of the effect that would have on colleagues who had witnessed that company behaviour too, they'd be thinking fuck this, it could be me they fuck over next, I'm off.
But the club won’t do that because they would prefer to have £50 million towards reinvesting that £0 towards reinvesting. Like how posters like to play the hardballers with other peoples millions.You are so naïve pushing this point that players wouldn’t want to play for us if we hardballed one of them lol.
Plus Sane wouldn’t be forced to do anything - he’s contracted with us until the end of next summer, up until which point he is our player and if he doesn’t get picked, he doesn’t get picked.
It would simply be a matter of the club preferring to play players who are committed to the project.
Pull factor - telling Sanchez's agent to fuck off? Ok, haha!! Surely if we were using the clubs size as a pull factor he would have come here because of the club, not gone elsewhere for more money. That strategy worked out well didn't it.
Who mentioned selling KDB or Sterling for £20m to Real Madrid?
It's disgusting because you're advocating forcing someone to do something they don't want to do, with no guaranteed outcome, just so a business can benefit. I bet if that was your company trying to get you to sign a contract forcing you to work in conditions you didn't want to (extra hours, locations, situations etc) without guaranteeing additional pay or benefits you wouldn't sign it and you'd be wanting to take legal action. Think of the effect that would have on colleagues who had witnessed that company behaviour too, they'd be thinking fuck this, it could be me they fuck over next, I'm off.
That’s a strategic decision that you are making an assumption on. Dortmund let Lewandowski go on a free transfer instead of cashing in, albeit for different reasons.But the club won’t do that because they would prefer to have £50 million towards reinvesting that £0 towards reinvesting. Like how posters like to play the hardballers with other peoples millions.
But the club won’t do that because they would prefer to have £50 million towards reinvesting that £0 towards reinvesting. Like how posters like to play the hardballers with other peoples millions.
You haven't answered my difficult question, you answered your own version of the question. My question was a simple choice of Club 1 or Club 2, I've given up asking because you clearly won't answer it, so why waste more energy.You are changing the discussion because I have proven your “difficult question” to be bullshit.
You implied that players wouldn’t want to sign for us if we hardballed Sané which is ridiculous. Players will still sign for us because we have the financial capabilities to provide them with a good package and we are competing for trophies.
As for Sané and his motivation to go to Bayern, he is being offered a much more generous financial package by Bayern (this has been quoted by various sources close to the player) and he has already won all there is to win in England domestically; it’s not like Bayern aren’t also competing for every trophy out there. Having said that it has absolutely nothing to do with the point you were making
Happy to wait and see and go with what the club decide.Ok, so this abribtrary 50 million you've pulled out your arse is still way below the market value for leroy sane. 35 million is the figure apparently on the table.
Let's say that's 50% below our valuation of Leroy. If we allow our pants to be pulled down on this one, Bayern have shown the Blueprint on how to get players on the cheap from Man City, unsettle them, wait for final 12 months and then low ball.
That 10/15/20 million lost becomes repeated on every transfer, quickly becoming much more than the 50 million you've made up we would lose, we wouldnt lose 50 million because we've never had it. We paid Schalke for Leroy and he's played through his contract. No money lost. Money spent.
Bending over for the German raga will cost Man City an awful lot more in the long run.
so what exactly is the point of your "difficult" question then?You haven't answered my difficult question, you answered your own version of the question. My question was a simple choice of Club 1 or Club 2, I've given up asking because you clearly won't answer it, so why waste more energy.
I didn't imply anything, I was very clear in saying we want players at the club who want to be here for the 'right reasons', not just for money. Those include; working in the best facilities in the world, with the best manager in the world, playing a style of football they enjoy, having the opportunity to improve as a player with teammates who are also at the club with the same mentality and aspirations, in full knowledge if things don't work out that the club will continue to support them in their career development.
As for Sane and his motivation being purely financial, you have absolutely no proof that is the reason for him wanting to leave. There is however proof we pay considerably higher wages overall than Bayern. The reasons for him leaving could be anything from being closer to family & friends, bringing his kid up in Germany, not liking the English lifestyle, thinking he will benefit from additional game time at Bayern. So your point is null and void until you know the facts, which none of us know.
come off the fence there, you'll get a splinter in your arseHappy to wait and see and go with what the club decide.
That blueprint exists for every single footballer. If anything in the past 10 years we have shown we don't sell our best players unless we want to.Ok, so this abribtrary 50 million you've pulled out your arse is still way below the market value for leroy sane. 35 million is the figure apparently on the table.
Let's say that's 50% below our valuation of Leroy. If we allow our pants to be pulled down on this one, Bayern have shown the Blueprint on how to get players on the cheap from Man City, unsettle them, wait for final 12 months and then low ball.
That 10/15/20 million lost becomes repeated on every transfer, quickly becoming much more than the 50 million you've made up we would lose, we wouldnt lose 50 million because we've never had it. We paid Schalke for Leroy and he's played through his contract. No money lost. Money spent.
Bending over for the German raga will cost Man City an awful lot more in the long run.
Already have come off the fence I thought, take the money, but doesn’t matter what we think the club will decide and most likely decide what’s best for the club they usually do alright I’ve noticed.come off the fence there, you'll get a splinter in your arse
That blueprint exists for every single footballer. If anything in the past 10 years we have shown we don't sell our best players unless we want to.
Sane is a very different situation. He will go for a fee, Txiki isn't going to get all emotional and drag it out to save face. He will negotiate a fee and bank the money. Pep won't want to entertain Sane for a whole summer whilst he deals with the media morons asking when Sane is leaving.
Which I answered by saying that it makes no difference because players will sign for us regardless of which hypothetical club we are from your options, in large part because of the financials and the competitiveness of the team, but also the reasons you listed yourself. If that isn’t your question (which it is) then I suggest that you perhaps rephrase it so that it makes sense.You haven't answered my difficult question, you answered your own version of the question. My question was a simple choice of Club 1 or Club 2, I've given up asking because you clearly won't answer it, so why waste more energy.
I didn't imply anything, I was very clear in saying we want players at the club who want to be here for the 'right reasons', not just for money. Those include; working in the best facilities in the world, with the best manager in the world, playing a style of football they enjoy, having the opportunity to improve as a player with teammates who are also at the club with the same mentality and aspirations, in full knowledge if things don't work out that the club will continue to support them in their career development.
As for Sane and his motivation being purely financial, you have absolutely no proof that is the reason for him wanting to leave. There is however proof we pay considerably higher wages overall than Bayern. The reasons for him leaving could be anything from being closer to family & friends, bringing his kid up in Germany, not liking the English lifestyle, thinking he will benefit from additional game time at Bayern. So your point is null and void until you know the facts, which none of us know.
He’s trying to save face after being found out to be an idiotso what exactly is the point of your "difficult" question then?
You're basically arguing against it with your point here
that is an eviscerationWhich I answered by saying that it makes no difference because players will sign for us regardless of which hypothetical club we are from your options, in large part because of the financials and the competitiveness of the team, but also the reasons you listed yourself. If that isn’t your question (which it is) then I suggest that you perhaps rephrase it so that it makes sense.
You are backtracking because you’ve realised that your point doesn’t stand and that players wouldn’t shun us if we hardballed Sané. I never said we didn’t want the right players. I said that we should hardball Sané to get a fair price for him. You are deviating.
Re Sane and Bayern you are cherry-picking. I didn’t say his reason was purely financial. It is in part financial, and it has been reported by numerous different sources that he would get a better financial package than what we are offering. You can dig your head in the sand and pretend that isn’t the case for the sake of the discussion but it doesn’t make it any less true. The other reasons you listed are all contributing factors as to why he wants to join Bayern, I’m not doubting that - when did I say that any of those weren’t true?
You are bringing completely irrelevant things into the discussion that were never doubted in the first place to move away from the fact that you were wrong about players not wanting to sign for us and then saying my point is “null and void” whilst offering no constructive argument to counter my actual point.
I will break it down for you to make it very simple - you are pushing this fantasy that if we hardball Leroy then other players won’t want to sign for us. This is clearly bullshit because we have a lot of pull factors and players won’t be bothered about the fact that we didn’t let Leroy and Bayern bend us over.
How is Sane holding the club to ransom? Has he refused to play? He signed a 5 year contract and so far has done nothing to suggest he won't honour the remainder of that contract.You’re advocating for Sane to hold the club to ransom and accept whatever Bayern throw at us, because it would hurt the feelings of an employee. Hard balling is what you do when someone puts an insulting offer on the table like Bayern have. He has 3 options and no one is forcing him into anything.
1 - He can decide to not sign the contract and accept a limited role and play time with reserves. Leaves for nothing.
2 - Understands and accepts not to play around with the club. He sings that extension with a set release clause and leaves next summer.
3 - Gets his partner in crime to pay up now and leaves.
You have to be extremely gullible to think players care about having used the hard stance on a player. I don’t see United having issues with signing players despite how they treated Beckham and Ronaldo. PSG managed to sing Mbappe and Neymar despite being tough on Veratti. We can go back to small mentality City and give up everything that we worked for, or own up to our ambition and finally start acting like the king.
he has reportedly agreed a deal to Bayern while still under contract to Manchester City Football ClubHow is Sane holding the club to ransom? Has he refused to play? He signed a 5 year contract and so far has done nothing to suggest he won't honour the remainder of that contract.
Why would you punish a player by putting them in the reserves or reducing playing time when they have done absolutely nothing wrong to date?
Both clubs (United and PSG) are paying wages way in excess of market value to attract players; Neymar, Mbappe, Sanchez, Pogba etc... That just proves my point, we have attracted world class players and haven't had to pay those figures. We only increase the wages when the players have proven their value to us (e.g. KDB, Sterling, Ederson, Laporte, Bernardo to name just a few) and that's why they stay because they feel valued and appreciated by the club who don't have to do that because they're already under contract.
Just read your finishing sentence and explain how you know that to be true? You don't, because you can't, no one can. Which makes the entire post irrelevant because it's based on that factor.players won’t be bothered about the fact that we didn’t let Leroy and Bayern bend us over.
You are once again failing to address the direct points aimed at you and you are deviating.How is Sane holding the club to ransom? Has he refused to play? He signed a 5 year contract and so far has done nothing to suggest he won't honour the remainder of that contract.
Why would you punish a player by putting them in the reserves or reducing playing time when they have done absolutely nothing wrong to date?
Both clubs (United and PSG) are paying wages way in excess of market value to attract players; Neymar, Mbappe, Sanchez, Pogba etc... That just proves my point, we have attracted world class players and haven't had to pay those figures. We only increase the wages when the players have proven their value to us (e.g. KDB, Sterling, Ederson, Laporte, Bernardo to name just a few) and that's why they stay because they feel valued and appreciated by the club who don't have to do that because they're already under contract.