The idea that the Scottish and Welsh are happy to sit home whilst the proud English go out to save the economy is one that all the rabid patriots can get behind.
Not necessarily KHW, but plenty of others.
As pointed out they didn’t want a central pot, however as we have to have one it’s free to use as the devolved powers allow them them to, not as they are told to do. Other wise whats the point of a devolved and elected parliament, if they have to do whatever Boris says.there is nothing xenophobic about it whatsoever , stop it with your racist, xenophobic shite and think for a moment instead of jumping I with a boring lazy argument
it’s simple common sense .
if you have devolved administrations telling people to stay home and not go back to work absolutely fine no problem good for them, it’s a devolved power, do as you like
however if the English are told to go back to work now so not therefore relying on furlough scheme any longer it seems wrong doesn’t it .
The devolved powers should be free to extend the stay at home if they like but they should not rely on the central pot to pay for it. That cost should fall on the devolved administrations as well. It’s hardly a difficult concept.
as Spider-Man’s dad said. With great power comes responsibility.
As pointed out they didn’t want a central pot, however as we have to have one it’s free to use as the devolved powers allow them them to, not as they are told to do. Other wise whats the point of a devolved and elected parliament, if they have to do whatever Boris says.
it’s not it’s about cost apportionment through the UK . There is nothing patriotic about it , it’s about finance allocation of the uk pot .
If a decision is taken for the Scottish to stay home for , say the next 6 months and not go to work , whereas England wales and Northern Ireland go back to work, Scotland should bear the cost of the furlough scheme for its decision.
there is nothing xenophobic about it whatsoever , stop it with your racist, xenophobic shite and think for a moment instead of jumping I with a boring lazy argument
it’s simple common sense .
if you have devolved administrations telling people to stay home and not go back to work absolutely fine no problem good for them, it’s a devolved power, do as you like
however if the English are told to go back to work now so not therefore relying on furlough scheme any longer it seems wrong doesn’t it .
The devolved powers should be free to extend the stay at home if they like but they should not rely on the central pot to pay for it. That cost should fall on the devolved administrations as well. It’s hardly a difficult concept.
as Spider-Man’s dad said. With great power comes responsibility.
So “Stay at home - get pissed - the English will pay” is a perfectly reasonable way to sum up your argument? Do me a fucking favour.there is nothing xenophobic about it whatsoever , stop it with your racist, xenophobic shite and think for a moment instead of jumping I with a boring lazy argument
it’s simple common sense .
if you have devolved administrations telling people to stay home and not go back to work absolutely fine no problem good for them, it’s a devolved power, do as you like
however if the English are told to go back to work now so not therefore relying on furlough scheme any longer it seems wrong doesn’t it .
The devolved powers should be free to extend the stay at home if they like but they should not rely on the central pot to pay for it. That cost should fall on the devolved administrations as well. It’s hardly a difficult concept.
as Spider-Man’s dad said. With great power comes responsibility.
Since we're being hypothetical here. What if Scotland staying in lockdown for that extra 3 or 6 weeks prevents that god awful second peak. And what if it takes off in England and a draconian lockdown has to be reintroduced for a longer period of time than we've just had up until now. Are you quite happy that the second huge lockdown is paid for by only the English taxpayer if and when that happens, and those in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are all back at work and getting on with their lives because they listened to the science? Completely hypothetical of course, but as far as this is concerned we're all in it together and the UK government should be trusting the devolved parliaments to be making the best decisions for their constituents at this horrible time, without second guessing it and suggesting any unfairness in the whole thing. Not having a dig, just another way of looking at it.
Plus ça change.Eugenics, he's sacrificing the less educated. C'est la vie.
So “Stay at home - get pissed - the English will pay” is a perfectly reasonable way to sum up your argument? Do me a fucking favour.
No, I think everyone does understand them.So from reading the last 10 pages it seems that those who support the government think the guidelines are crystal clear and anybody not understanding is a simpleton, whilst those who don’t support them think they are clear as mud.
So much the same as every other political thread.
Think Scotland will be just a week behind, hopefully though they’ll use what Boris did a a guide of how not to introduce it and are using this time to plan, consult, work through the contradictions and the steps then announce in an address first which the media then report on instead of all the other and wrong way round.and that’s all fair . I think the uk government has not criticised the devolved countries response in what they have done.
I think given the vast majority of countries in Europe and the world are easing lockdown measures now I think it will be a matter of time anyway until Scotland wales and Northern Ireland follow suit . I have to say I don’t know what is happening in the Republic of Ireland and whether lockdown measures are easing there as well now, but I don’t think we are months away from a common policy
Mixed messages yet again, they've been a constant factor throughout this crisis.Hancock now saying that Scotland have not reduced level to be alert as their R rate is higher than in England. A quick look on the govt's own website shows the North East of England has the highest R rate in the UK yet us in the North East are now subject to the less stringent rules?????
You are conflating a country with a region. Whilst the North East may have the highest R rate in the UK, is it lower than Scotland as a whole. Locking down a region in a different way to the rest of the country is a different argument altogether. Can you provide a link to each regions R rate?Hancock now saying that Scotland have not reduced level to be alert as their R rate is higher than in England. A quick look on the govt's own website shows the North East of England has the highest R rate in the UK yet us in the North East are now subject to the less stringent rules?????
I never mentioned anything about racism, but now you mention little Englanders, I’d agree that sums up the attitude in that post about the English paying for Scots and Welsh staying at home and getting pissed. I see you’ve rowed back from that comment now and are making a more coherent argument so fair enough.what you mean make a point and debate it with bluemooners without the need to calling everyone xenophobic, racists , little englanders on every thread to every post you don’t like.
Perfectly fine. I'd wait till it's over myself for deoloying the 20-20 hindsight retrospectioscope myself.Probably because we can’t control the virus, merely try to stop it spreading.
Is it ok to compare ourselves with other countries now?
Think Scotland will be just a week behind, hopefully though they’ll use what Boris did a a guide of how not to introduce it and are using this time to plan, consult, work through the contradictions and the steps then announce in an address first which the media then report on instead of all the other and wrong way round.
You noticed ;)what you mean make a point and debate it with bluemooners without the need to calling everyone xenophobic, racists , little englanders on every thread to every post you don’t like.
the point was one about financial allocation.
They’d need to be antibody tests on a random sample to see what percentage of the population have had it. The 100,000 tests per day thing is antigen testing to see who currently has it.Are we doing any random testing of the population to get a more accurate figure? We should have enough test kits if we're handing out 100k each day to specific groups, most of whom are already symptomatic or work in areas where they are more likely to be infected.