COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[shemnel]

It's definitely the former. If somebody can't meet more than one person from outside of their household then any meet up that involves your mum meeting you AND your wife, is in breach of the guidance.

okey doke - so only one person can meet one person, of differing households. That is the bottom line. Any other combo is a breach. Cheers

 

[twosips]

I feel for every person who had no choice but to get on this bus.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

It's crackers that almost two months into this people are looking to Boris and the government for some kind of advice what to do health wise. The advice hasn't really changed and it won't change until the virus dies out, an effective treatment is found or a vaccine created. Just keep distance and avoid people as much as possible, wash hands regularly and if you can get a mask wear it on transport and any crowded areas. The business and work angle I understand people following but the reality is while the virus is here everything carries a risk save sitting indoors.

With many people, it’s knowing what rules they can break to show off that they’ve broken the rules. So they want to know exactly what they can and can’t do. Some people are obsessed with being antiestablishment.

When we first went into restrictions in late March, we had a poster on here saying; “I have the REBEL SPIRIT running thru my veins. I THINK FOR MYSELF !! Tiny dicked Boris Johnson isn’t telling ME what to do !!”

With others it’s deciphering the constant mumbles and mistakes in speech from Boris, and contradictions him and his MPs come out with.

On Sunday night many people thought they would have to go into work on the Monday morning because that’s what was said by Boris and shown on the BBC News and BBC website, but then while eating breakfast on the Monday morning they were told they wouldn’t have to go into work until today.

So some will start to wonder what other messages are wrong and will seek clarification on exactly what they can and can’t do so they aren’t doing the wrong thing. They’re like the opposites to the “rebels”.

But I said the other day, my advice to those who aren’t sure about what’s going on, would be: don’t listen to the MPs (because they’re either unclear, or very clear but then another MP contradicts them); just read the govt website!

 

[BlueHammer85]

there's going to be some very depressing sites the next few days and weekend, packed tubes, buses etc parks, beaches, traffic jam's for drive through McDonald's

 

[grunge]

I feel for every person who had no choice but to get on this bus.

And so it begins. the psychology behind the the new "Control the virus" message is moving the onus from the government to the public. same as saying everyone should go back to work if they cant work from home "but avoid public transport" which for the majority is impossible.

in 2 weeks when we have a spike this will be shown as a fault of the public not planning or the gov.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

A couple or three questions:

- how are they deciding who gets the test?
Presumably as a lot seem to be posted out, these are ad hoc applications for a test
What could be done better to make the testing more useful/directed?

- is there a daily count of the number of people in or released from hospital?
This seems more useful than the number of people who are infected.

- what is causing the continuing increase in numbers?
General asymptomatic spread, with some direct infection in places like hospitals?
It seems this continuing increase won't actually stop?

The ONS are sending tests to people who were already on the ONS surveys database who agreed to take part in the testing.

 

[Mon Autre]

okey doke - so only one person can meet one person, of differing households. That is the bottom line. Any other combo is a breach. Cheers

That's the only way I think rule can be interpreted really. But I accept would think there's no real extra risk in seeing two people from a household who have isolated together (but it wouldn't be within the rules)

 

[BobKowalski]

It’s not a handful though, it’s one of the usual suspects being utterly obtuse regarding it, what @Rammy Blue is doing is perfectly acceptable and there’s no ambiguity at all.

No, it’s people having a different interpretation of the rules and consequently acting differently. Who is right and who is wrong I neither know or care. I stopped listening to the Govt well over a month ago. We went into lockdown on 10th March when the Govt was in its ‘herd immunity’ phase and we ain’t coming out until the country gets its shit together which judging by events and Govt advice ‘to be alert’ to an invisible virus won’t be anytime soon.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Conducted by the Office for National Statistics and the University of Oxford, the "COVID-19 Infection Survey" aims to find out how many people have the infection, or are likely to have had it, even if they hadn't realised it at the time

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...-covid-19-survey-heres-what-happened-11986626

what isn’t said is that most of the people delivering the and collecting the tests are not nurses but old retired people, they do not supervise the test as in that “fiction”, that the packs they get had no wipes despite being promised them, that the “dirty box” they should have got to put completed tests in was missing or that the swabs sticks are twice as long as the phials they are supposed to be put in and have to be snapped in two by the testee. Once the tests are collected by the ONS staffer they are taken in Manchester’s case to a Salford McDonald’s car park and handed over to a waiting transit van.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

"people can also now spend time outdoors subject to: not meeting up with any more than one person from outside your household; continued compliance with social distancing guidelines to remain two metres (6ft) away from people outside your household"

that's the official text. For me that is not that confusing: My wife and I can meet my mum, then my dad in the afternoon, and then just me alone can go and see my cousin and his wife. All of this must be outside so i'll probably sit or stand in their gardens or perhaps the driveway for the latter. I'll do this at 2m (or more) and i might even delay the cousin to the next day not to overdo it, using common sense.

BUT. Hancock says on TV that it "should only happen in public spaces" so is that the garden off? B'cos to me, as i can get to it externally, that seems safer than 10 random families around my poor mam. And what am I reading about 1 person (i.e. just me) meeting only other one person - the official text says nothing of the sort?

What i'm driving at is why do we have a relatively clear document (it still has problems but it's ok) which is being elaborated on by politicians, seemingly ad-hoc?

Because they have not studied it to know what’s really in it. They may well have read it but they haven’t studied it. They’ll think they know what’s in it and think what they’re saying is correct but without actually studying the 50 pages, they can very easily contradict something in the document.

Again, a lack of attention to detail.

 

[crooky]

Looking at those packed buses I wonder how many businesses have actually tried different working hours as suggested.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Not seen any trial vaccine/therapeutic news posted on here for ages. Has it all gone quiet on that front?

No, just taking the time required.
The long time.

 

[shemnel]

Because they have not studied it to know what’s really in it. They may well have read it but they haven’t studied it. They’ll think they know what’s in it and think what they’re saying is correct but without actually studying the 50 pages, they can very easily contradict something in the document.

Again, a lack of attention to detail.

turns out i didn't interpret correctly, it is indeed only one person meeting one other person from another house.
Still dont see a problem with gardens, and the doc doesnt rule it out (external access)

 

[denislawsbackheel]

I can't view the full article for paywall reasons but is this on the back of their article around a month or 6 weeks ago which suggested that the infection had been with us for a lot longer than the first reported cases and there's a good chance we already have developed a good herd immunity or is this totally separate findings? Pretty sure a LOT of doubt was cast upon that report I'm talking about.

Begs the question of why? If they're wrong then how have this group of respected academics at one of the best universities researched the virus and compiled a report on it only for them to be told that they're effectively talking shite. How have they got it so wrong? Or how has everyone else got it so wrong by not listening to them? Must admit, them talking about infections being with us in January didn't sit right with me because surely hospitals would have became overcrowded much sooner and it'd have been picked up on... But then again Oxford uni guys would be aware of this question too so surely for them to compile and submit such a report suggests they'd have some logical answers on that.

EDIT - Another thing. It's Oxford uni who are claiming they'll have a vaccine by autumn and they're going ahead to start producing it beforehand because of their confidence in its success. Are they just being really over optimistic about everything or are we not giving their work enough respect and credence?

It is standard procedure to produce lots of a vaccine before testing is properly concluded in case it works.
If it doesn’t it can be binned.

 

[Gabriel]

Have a feeling that when there is an inquiry into this sorry affair, such information could be extremely revealing about UK decision making.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1260462206883450885.html

 

[ayrshire_blue]

It is standard procedure to produce lots of a vaccine before testing is properly concluded in case it works.
If it doesn’t it can be binned.

Yeah, I sort of understand that. It's their sheer confidence in going public with their belief that this is a goer which I'm wondering about, when others have since downplayed it. Especially when tied into their articles about herd immunity already being prevalent and this not being an epidemic in the UK any more. Their stuff seems the most upbeat reports coming out of anywhere especially when compared to the imperial college and its just difficult to know what is likely to be accurate and what should be taken with a pinch of salt i suppose.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

There is a reason why testing for vaccines takes many months.
I take Oxford ‘s reports of a 2020 roll out, even IF they find a vaccine, with a very large pinch of salt.

 

[twosips]

Looking at those packed buses I wonder how many businesses have actually tried different working hours as suggested.

Given it's a suggestion that they can choose to ignore, I'd guess many will take the easiest option.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

As many will over making their offices clean and safe if they can get away with it.

it’s worth reposting this.
Knowing It could save someone’s life.

https://section44.co.uk/

 

[SWP's back]

well she did it, a boy, a right bruiser 10lb 7.

Congratulations