COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[BlueHammer85]

There's plenty of good journalism still about. The issue with a lot of the papers are they mix up editorial opinion and news more than ever, that doesn't stop there being others that don't though. There is at least some recourse for it though, unlike most of the internet.

the issue I have with the main stream media bashing - is who do people get their sources from ? they soon go down the route of David Icke and whacky YouTube videos and you end up debating with complete morons.

 

[cleavers]

Does anyone know where the daily mirror got their headline of "19m Brits have recovered" from ?

 

[Uwe`s Grandad]

Does anyone know where the daily mirror got their headline of "19m Brits have recovered" from ?

The Daily Mail :-)

 

[domalino]

Does anyone know where the daily mirror got their headline of "19m Brits have recovered" from ?

A study by researchers from The University of Manchester, Salford Royal and Res Consortium, suggested that 29% of the population - more than 19m people - may already have been infected with COVID-19 and recovered.

The study, published in the International Journal of Clinical Practice, claimed to be the first to use published local authority data to assess the cumulative impact of infection since the outbreak began.

But fellow scientists have voiced concerns over the methodology of the research and said it had not taken account of the level of uncertainty surrounding unreported cases.​

 

[cleavers]

A study by researchers from The University of Manchester, Salford Royal and Res Consortium, suggested that 29% of the population - more than 19m people - may already have been infected with COVID-19 and recovered.

What's it based on do you know ?

It seems a ridiculous number to me, I'd be surprised if it was half of that.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

The SNP supported the Nazis, and the Republic Of Ireland enjoyed a fairly close relationship with the 3rd Reich, in fact they signed a book on condolence after Hitlers reported death. Singling out the DM is just point scoring bud.

Matt Hancock doesn't agree with you

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

What's it based on do you know ?

It seems a ridiculous number to me, I'd be surprised if it was half of that.

One for the “I had it back in December” crowd.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

A study by researchers from The University of Manchester, Salford Royal and Res Consortium, suggested that 29% of the population - more than 19m people - may already have been infected with COVID-19 and recovered.

The study, published in the International Journal of Clinical Practice, claimed to be the first to use published local authority data to assess the cumulative impact of infection since the outbreak began.

But fellow scientists have voiced concerns over the methodology of the research and said it had not taken account of the level of uncertainty surrounding unreported cases.​

Think that is obscene, most educated guesses are that it sits between 3-5%. Which is what the data in other countries is showing.

 

[johnnytapia]

well they are right to be concerned.

but ultimately , our children need educating. Like you need treating by nhs workers if you need to go to hospital , or serving at a supermarket by supermarket workers.

if you are concerned ,perhaps study examples of how children going back to school has caused spikes or teachers to contract it. Sweden has had schools open throughout have teachers died?

Other countries are realising the importance of getting the kids back to school and the risks associated with it. it would be odd if the uk couldn’t find a way through it.

Sometimes I think people assume Covid is a uk only issue and only the uk are trying to get things back to normal, whereas the rest of the world are still welded in their homes.

if you want to counter by saying , yeah but look at our deaths, I would simply refer you back to the ONS data on deaths by age and underlying condition. As it’s very relevant in evaluating risk.

Absolutely agree with most of that. Our concern is the lack of scientific evidence that's been presented on the impact reopening may have on infection rates. Nada. Every day we hear gov. officials saying the number one way of reducing infection is social distancing. Then tell us they accept children may not be able to socially distance. The message they've given is littered with contradictions and it shouldn't be that way. There's been zero dialogue with teachers and that's evident in the guidance we've been given. No explanation why they deem it necessary to wear a mask when in a shop with social distancing but not necessary when in a classroom of 15 children who can't or won't socially distance.
They should have slowed the reopening so that we have Yr6 back first. Allow schools to practise Covid measures. In very, very small numbers. Take stock, whilst keeping an eye on national statistics, see if there's a spike, see how practical it is and what's achievable. But no, their advice is: make the youngest priority. Hence the pushback from schools, parents and LAs. I would love my school to get the children back in - but only when we have the science to back it and then we have the means to deliver it. And that includes PPE, track and trace (both for Covid and antibody) and a national strategy for reopening, not "we'll let you work out what's best".
I do think (and hope) HSE regs will kill the reopening as currently requested by the DfE but that we'll see most schools begin with Yr6, that's certainly the case with most schools in our "cluster".
Manchester LA are due to release a statement today. On verra...

 

[HelloCity]

Don’t use crowded public transport they said...

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Absolutely agree with most of that. Our concern is the lack of scientific evidence that's been presented on the impact reopening may have on infection rates. Nada. Every day we hear gov. officials saying the number one way of reducing infection is social distancing. Then tell us they accept children may not be able to socially distance. The message they've given is littered with contradictions and it shouldn't be that way. There's been zero dialogue with teachers and that's evident in the guidance we've been given. No explanation why they deem it necessary to wear a mask when in a shop with social distancing but not necessary when in a classroom of 15 children who can't or won't socially distance.
They should have slowed the reopening so that we have Yr6 back first. Allow schools to practise Covid measures. In very, very small numbers. Take stock, whilst keeping an eye on national statistics, see if there's a spike, see how practical it is and what's achievable. But no, their advice is: make the youngest priority. Hence the pushback from schools, parents and LAs. I would love my school to get the children back in - but only when we have the science to back it and then we have the means to deliver it. And that includes PPE, track and trace (both for Covid and antibody) and a national strategy for reopening, not "we'll let you work out what's best".
I do think (and hope) HSE regs will kill the reopening as currently requested by the DfE but that we'll see most schools begin with Yr6, that's certainly the case with most schools in our "cluster".
Manchester LA are due to release a statement today. On verra...

can’t disagree with some of that . I thought it was supposed to be phased return. Are they saying on June 1 all primary school kids go back?

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Think that is obscene, most educated guesses are that it sits between 3-5%. Which is what the data in other countries is showing.

Have you done the authors the curtesy of reading the paper before calling it obscene?

 

[SWP's back]

He slagged off The Sun. He slagged off The Daily Mail. That bad man!

Your bibles of course.

You’re still talking shite I see.

You invoking Godwin’s Law like a giddy little kid on a sugar buzz has fuck all to do with my dislike of those ‘papers.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Don’t use crowded public transport they said...

Labour mayor, maybe if he ran everything properly...

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Absolutely agree with most of that. Our concern is the lack of scientific evidence that's been presented on the impact reopening may have on infection rates. Nada. Every day we hear gov. officials saying the number one way of reducing infection is social distancing. Then tell us they accept children may not be able to socially distance. The message they've given is littered with contradictions and it shouldn't be that way. There's been zero dialogue with teachers and that's evident in the guidance we've been given. No explanation why they deem it necessary to wear a mask when in a shop with social distancing but not necessary when in a classroom of 15 children who can't or won't socially distance.
They should have slowed the reopening so that we have Yr6 back first. Allow schools to practise Covid measures. In very, very small numbers. Take stock, whilst keeping an eye on national statistics, see if there's a spike, see how practical it is and what's achievable. But no, their advice is: make the youngest priority. Hence the pushback from schools, parents and LAs. I would love my school to get the children back in - but only when we have the science to back it and then we have the means to deliver it. And that includes PPE, track and trace (both for Covid and antibody) and a national strategy for reopening, not "we'll let you work out what's best".
I do think (and hope) HSE regs will kill the reopening as currently requested by the DfE but that we'll see most schools begin with Yr6, that's certainly the case with most schools in our "cluster".
Manchester LA are due to release a statement today. On verra...

I would be requesting data from countries which haven't closed schools throughout the crisis and those who have already re-opened. Don't forget that the actual data for Health Care workers turned out to put them at less risk than taxi drivers despite the impression given in the press. The risk needs to be quantified and the methods used in those countries with open schools should be assessed and adopted where appropriate.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Tbf, it is their editorial stance now.

Seriously? You clearly have no fucking idea what a Nazi is or was.

 

[SWP's back]

Don’t use crowded public transport they said...

Who’s in control of the London Congestion Charge?

 

[HelloCity]

Never in my life have a seen so many grown men so upset and offended by someone ripping into The Daily Mail. You’re all acting as if it was a personal attack.

Why be so bothered? It’s a horrible little hate piece. We should be wiping our arses with it not getting worked up by someone criticising it.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Absolutely agree with most of that. Our concern is the lack of scientific evidence that's been presented on the impact reopening may have on infection rates. Nada. Every day we hear gov. officials saying the number one way of reducing infection is social distancing. Then tell us they accept children may not be able to socially distance. The message they've given is littered with contradictions and it shouldn't be that way. There's been zero dialogue with teachers and that's evident in the guidance we've been given. No explanation why they deem it necessary to wear a mask when in a shop with social distancing but not necessary when in a classroom of 15 children who can't or won't socially distance.
They should have slowed the reopening so that we have Yr6 back first. Allow schools to practise Covid measures. In very, very small numbers. Take stock, whilst keeping an eye on national statistics, see if there's a spike, see how practical it is and what's achievable. But no, their advice is: make the youngest priority. Hence the pushback from schools, parents and LAs. I would love my school to get the children back in - but only when we have the science to back it and then we have the means to deliver it. And that includes PPE, track and trace (both for Covid and antibody) and a national strategy for reopening, not "we'll let you work out what's best".
I do think (and hope) HSE regs will kill the reopening as currently requested by the DfE but that we'll see most schools begin with Yr6, that's certainly the case with most schools in our "cluster".
Manchester LA are due to release a statement today. On verra...

the problem is the way you target the masses is simple soundbites and slogans that you repeat endlessly until they've bought it. That's all Cummings is doing, doesn't matter if they contradict, "let teachers be heroes" etc. is what the masses will buy into, just like Brexit.

You need hard, largely bullshit but emotional messaging if you want to win in response, not nuance and reason. It needs to be "Your children will kill your mum". Even the Labour MP last night on Question Time got weighed down as she was trying to give nuanced reasons for why she didn't completely agree with the government etc. but Fiona Bruce just wanted to make it into a simplistic "do you think it was too soon?" which nobody has an answer for at this stage.

But a lot more people will buy into the Mail slogan than they will the nuanced retort. There's protest and pushback but on we go regardless.

 

[johnnytapia]

can’t disagree with some of that . I thought it was supposed to be phased return. Are they saying on June 1 all primary school kids go back?

No, this is the guidance, but essentially, they've asked for Nursery, Reception and Year 1 to go back, with the emphasis on starting with Nursery. And this has already changed from the guidance we got on Monday which included Yr6 (they've now been removed from the updated guidance). So you can see why we're feeling this is all being done a bit too haphazardly.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...or-primary-schools#frequently-asked-questions