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tolmie's hairdoo said:
That's bullshit (on their part) , but it makes for the convenience of trying to reassure NHS staff and the wider general public that those working within aren't at an greater risk.

Funnily, enough, just like the narrative they are trying to get out on teachers and kids.

NHS are clearly at the front line and carry huge risk to anyone else based simply on viral loads.


It was less than three months ago they said it was safe for kids to be in school, then they said it wasn't, and now they say it is.

Nothing has changed in terms of the virus still being in circulation.
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Just as likely to catch it yes,
In contact with more people and people who have the virus makes them infinitely more likely to get it and get it bad
They are heroes no doubt
 
Gelsons Dad said:
No.
I expect the R in the midlands to remain around 1 for a couple more weeks before it falls. We are seeing the effect of a behaviour change in the deaths now and I have a feeling It may be due to Ramadan but of course I would get slaughtered if I said that in public! .......oh
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Yes it could be the Muslims. Or it could the entire nation collectively losing its minds during the VE celebrations last weekend.
 
Tb1981 said:
Nailed it
Whatever is proposed is open to pick holes in
We don’t live in an ideal world normally let alone in these times
Ultimately it will be a personal choice if you want to send kids back to school
I’m torn and I change my mind hourly
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Where there is doubt, there is no doubt.
 
As has been said before Liverpool think it’s safe for men’s football to resume, but not women’s and it not safe for five year olds to go to school. In many ways it doesn’t matter what the government says, there will always be a percentage of the country will either refuse or ignore. Thankfully I don’t have kids of school age any longer but I do have ones that work and who will shortly be returning to offices
 
Tb1981 said:
Just as likely to catch it yes,
In contact with more people and people who have the virus makes them infinitely more likely to get it and get it bad
They are heroes no doubt
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I don't even know why anyone would split hairs.

Cabbies and labourers haven't even been working these last two months, so the ONS stats need comparables made to professions which will be back on a daily basis for the same period.

I suspect the NHS and care workers will still be far out in front in terms of exposure risk!!

Viral loads are the relevant part of the equation.

It's crass from the ONS to state our NHS workers aren't at more risk than the majority of professions.

Teachers would be right next to them in terms of daily prolonged exposure within the context of their working conditions.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
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What was the England hospitals total today mate?
 
  • In England a further 90 people have died, taking the total number of deaths in hospitals there to 24,617
  • In Scotland, there have been a further nine deaths, taking the total to 2,103
  • In Wales, there have been a further 12 deaths, taking the total to 1,203
Figures for Scotland and Wales are mostly hospital deaths.

UK-wide figures published by the Department of Health - which use a different timeframe to those of individual nations and also include deaths in the community and care homes - will be published later
 
Mon Autre said:
Yes it could be the Muslims. Or it could the entire nation collectively losing its minds during the VE celebrations last weekend.
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It might be that care homes, where the R is higher, are making up a higher proportion of cases as people in the community with the virus reduces. I’ve seen a number of statisticians and Public Health analysts suggest this on social media.

The Pubic Health team in Yorkshire and Humber say hospital admissions are not falling faster because COVID-19 units are now admitting ill people from care homes where they were resistant to do so before.

Maybe the Government will start publishing estimated R by location / sector of the people with the virus?
 
Corky said:
This has fallen on the national health infrastructure, not sure what she means by the public health one. When public health responsibility was taken from the NHS about 7 years ago and given to councils who weren't sure what there role was meant to be, was when all this fell down.
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There is a lot of truth in this. The public health resources and local expertise are not large in many councils and that has led to a very centralised London-centric approach from central government. I think this very old-fashioned "top-down" approach has caused a lot of problems in the current crisis.
 
The World Health Organization's chief scientist said children didn't seem to be getting severely ill from Covid-19, but there was less data on how effectively they spread the virus to others

The very early data from countries which have reopened schools to a degree indicate that they haven't become infection hotspots. But it's early days and the data is currently too scant to give definitive reassurances that children don't pass on the infection

Various news outlets like the bbc
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
There is a lot of truth in this. The public health resources and local expertise are not large in many councils and that has led to a very centralised London-centric approach from central government. I think this very old-fashioned "top-down" approach has caused a lot of problems in the current crisis.
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Some Public Health staff were made to feel
Unwelcome in some Councils because of jealousy over NHS terms and conditions. I am sure other Councils would have been more welcoming but the emphasis increasingly focussed on health promotion / prevention of ill health that is worth in its own right. I am not sure but preparedness for major public health risks / pandemics etc might have fell down the priorities, especially in an era of austerity

Whatever happened to public health capacity and capability will be a core part of any sensible review of the handling of the Coronavirus crisis.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
I don't even know why anyone would split hairs.

Cabbies and labourers haven't even been working these last two months, so the ONS stats need comparables made to professions which will be back on a daily basis for the same period.

I suspect the NHS and care workers will still be far out in front in terms of exposure risk!!

Viral loads are the relevant part of the equation.

It's crass from the ONS to state our NHS workers aren't at more risk than the majority of professions.

Teachers would be right next to them in terms of daily prolonged exposure within the context of their working conditions.
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The ONS didn't say that. They produce statistics that are probably fairly reliable. When they looked at occupations taxi drivers and bus drivers were at higher risk from dying.
The figures could not take into account background health as they did not have that information. Generally health care workers are almost certainly healthier than transport workers.
The effect of viral infective dose is still not known, it may or may not be important.
 
karen7 said:
Many of Britain's amazing army of care workers have made the decision to live apart from loved ones during the crisis to stop the spread. Some are living in care homes while others are staying in hotels, caravans and even tents

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/care-worker-wears-full-protective-22039204

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...home-to-protect-family-from-covid-19-11989779

Above and beyond,really annoys me the attitude to our care workers sometimes
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Me and my wife ( both nhs ) slept apart,her in the conservatory and me upstairs since march 16th until around May 10th,7 weeks apart ,we chose to stop it after seeing how other people didnt give a shit about social distancing and everything else,the VE celebrations finally ended our seperation.
our son has had to attend school 2 to 3 days per week when we have both been in work,
iv had to use 4 to 5 days of my holidays when we have both been rostered in at the weekend and we couldn't even send him to school cos its obviously closed
 
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