COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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European countries should brace themselves for a deadly second wave of coronavirus infections because the pandemic is not over, the World Health Organisation’s top official in Europe has said. in an exclusive interview with The Telegraph, Dr Hans Kluge, director for the WHO European region, delivered a stark warning to countries beginning to ease their lockdown restrictions, saying that now is the "time for preparation, not celebration"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/16/second-wave-coronavirus-europe-winter-uk/
 
blue44 said:
Me and my wife ( both nhs ) slept apart,her in the conservatory and me upstairs since march 16th until around May 10th,7 weeks apart ,we chose to stop it after seeing how other people didnt give a shit about social distancing and everything else,the VE celebrations finally ended our seperation.
our son has had to attend school 2 to 3 days per week when we have both been in work,
iv had to use 4 to 5 days of my holidays when we have both been rostered in at the weekend and we couldn't even send him to school cos its obviously closed
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Thank you for what you are doing,i am not surprised that you and all of your fellow carers are making sacrifices,it is really important i think to show people the stories,those who have come back and died because the caring profession is unique,putting your lives at risk to save everyone else is truly amazing,thank you
 
karen7 said:
The World Health Organization's chief scientist said children didn't seem to be getting severely ill from Covid-19, but there was less data on how effectively they spread the virus to others

The very early data from countries which have reopened schools to a degree indicate that they haven't become infection hotspots. But it's early days and the data is currently too scant to give definitive reassurances that children don't pass on the infection

Various news outlets like the bbc
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Is this taking into account the very scary but very real Kawasaki disease or toxic shock syndrome which seems to be becoming more and more prevalent in children who's immune systems have initially fought off Covid? Just wondering if they're not being labelled in getting ill from Covid when in actual fact they're getting ill from something related to it.

I've got a wee one at nursery (not been for 8 weeks) but I'd be reluctant to send him back until more information and more research is done on the Kawasaki disease symptoms as it's a horrifying prospect.
 
karen7 said:
Thank you for what you are doing,i am not surprised that you and all of your fellow carers are making sacrifices,it is really important i think to show people the stories,those who have come back and died because the caring profession is unique,putting your lives at risk to save everyone else is truly amazing,thank you
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My wife more than me,im just in catering
But she has gone from just being a CSW to being thrown into CCU the last eight weeks,she's a foriegn national too,I'm so utterly proud of her.
 
blue44 said:
My wife more than me,im just in catering
But she has gone from just being a CSW to being thrown into CCU the last eight weeks,she's a foriegn national too,I'm so utterly proud of her.
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Pfft, should be kicked out the country, what do these bloody foreigners do for us, they just take, take, take.....




















I'd be proud too mate
 
karen7 said:
The World Health Organization's chief scientist said children didn't seem to be getting severely ill from Covid-19, but there was less data on how effectively they spread the virus to others

The very early data from countries which have reopened schools to a degree indicate that they haven't become infection hotspots. But it's early days and the data is currently too scant to give definitive reassurances that children don't pass on the infection

Various news outlets like the bbc
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Listen to the Anorak...

Children do get ill.
But not many of them.
The deciding issue will be how many apparantly well children are asymptomatic and how much virus they shed while so being.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Is this taking into account the very scary but very real Kawasaki disease or toxic shock syndrome which seems to be becoming more and more prevalent in children who's immune systems have initially fought off Covid? Just wondering if they're not being labelled in getting ill from Covid when in actual fact they're getting ill from something related to it.

I've got a wee one at nursery (not been for 8 weeks) but I'd be reluctant to send him back until more information and more research is done on the Kawasaki disease symptoms as it's a horrifying prospect.
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Very very small numbers though.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Very very small numbers though.
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Whilst bearing in mind we're in lockdown and only a tiny percentage of kids are out and about in such social situations. Do those very small numbers become much bigger numbers when schools and nurseries get busier? I know nothing can be made 100% safe and you can't wrap them up in cotton wool forever but a bit more information and research into this is surely required first?
 
A pub I know has never shut only a local small shithole but the local ale cans have kept it going 8am start for about 6 hours a day no lights on no going out for fags etc back door job
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Is this taking into account the very scary but very real Kawasaki disease or toxic shock syndrome which seems to be becoming more and more prevalent in children who's immune systems have initially fought off Covid? Just wondering if they're not being labelled in getting ill from Covid when in actual fact they're getting ill from something related to it.

I've got a wee one at nursery (not been for 8 weeks) but I'd be reluctant to send him back until more information and more research is done on the Kawasaki disease symptoms as it's a horrifying prospect.
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Some of the kids are testing positive for covid and others aren't ,it seems to be a confusing picture,the state's are seeing quite a few cases now,ten in New York alone I think,it causes swelling of blood vessels and anurisms ,to be clear it is still rare but it is one of the many surprises of covid

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31094-1/fulltext

We lost our first baby here

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/baby-dies-coronavirus-related-kawasaki-22039416
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
I don't even know why anyone would split hairs.

Cabbies and labourers haven't even been working these last two months, so the ONS stats need comparables made to professions which will be back on a daily basis for the same period.

I suspect the NHS and care workers will still be far out in front in terms of exposure risk!!

Viral loads are the relevant part of the equation.

It's crass from the ONS to state our NHS workers aren't at more risk than the majority of professions.

Teachers would be right next to them in terms of daily prolonged exposure within the context of their working conditions.
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The one I’d like to know is supermarket staff
They don’t seem to be wearing ppe like they were at start
Also your more likely in icu in a Covid ward than the hospital canteen
Circumstances dictate not stays alone
 
karen7 said:
Some of the kids are testing positive for covid and others aren't ,it seems to be a confusing picture,the state's are seeing quite a few cases now,ten in New York alone I think,it causes swelling of blood vessels and anurisms ,to be clear it is still rare but it is one of the many surprises of covid

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31094-1/fulltext

We lost our first baby here

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/baby-dies-coronavirus-related-kawasaki-22039416
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Like so many posts on this thread, I was going to give it a like but it doesn't feel right. What a sad sad story.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
That's bullshit (on their part) , but it makes for the convenience of trying to reassure NHS staff and the wider general public that those working within aren't at an greater risk.

Funnily, enough, just like the narrative they are trying to get out on teachers and kids.

NHS are clearly at the front line and carry huge risk to anyone else based simply on viral loads.


It was less than three months ago they said it was safe for kids to be in school, then they said it wasn't, and now they say it is.

Nothing has changed in terms of the virus still being in circulation.
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So if that data from the ONS is unreliable is it then the case that all ONS data is unreliable given the QA system is the same?
 
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