COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[ayrshire_blue]

He also said we might never find a vaccine,that is coming from everyone,we are making it now so if it turns out to be safe and effective we have it ready to go,props to Astra for taking the risk on it

So what's the alternative from there are they suggesting anything? How do we get back to some sort of feeling of normal without a vaccine, I assume it relies on a mix of development on treatments/herd immunity?

 

[Cityfan]

I'd say the data across the board is manipulated to suit the narrative as needed.

I think politicians can and do frequently manipulate the presentation of data and misrepresent it's meaning at times, but the ONS is a reliable source , you just have to look at how it is being presented and interpreted rather carefully.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Wear a mask around others, social distance, wash your hands (or wear gloves, but I prefer to wash them or use hand sanitizer) get outside, get on with as much of your life as possible.

Don’t be fearful, be respectful.

 

[True_Blue69]

It's posts like this that remind me I should stay off this thread.

Moronic in the extreme.

People believe what they agree with, anything that strays slightly from this they dismiss it as fake news. Never known anything like it before.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

We are pinning our hopes on the vaccine nothing else will do to satisfy our hopes for the future.

my relation is still very poorly In ICU but. she opened her eyes yesterday and we are hoping it’s not another false dawn:)

 

[Tim of the Oak]

We are pinning our hopes on the vaccine nothing else will do to satisfy our hopes for the future.

my relation is still very poorly In ICU but. she opened her eyes yesterday and we are hoping it’s not another false dawn:)

Fingers crossed your relative pulls brought. I don’t think we are pinning all our hopes on a vaccine and the Government said there are no guarantees. That said, a reliable vaccine would make a world of difference of course.

 

[goatersnipple]

My dad seems to think pubs will open in july the country needs to get things moving.
Jesus what has he been on

 

[quiet_riot]

I'd say the data across the board is manipulated to suit the narrative as needed.

Absolutely bang on.

Seems to me the government have already decided how and when we move to the next stage of 'alert' and the stats, R-value etc etc don't come into it too much.

 

[Proy]

My dad seems to think pubs will open in july the country needs to get things moving.
Jesus what has he been on

Pubs will open in July assuming we meet the 5 criteria.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

It's posts like this that remind me I should stay off this thread.

Moronic in the extreme.

Moronic is your assertions that labourers are no more at risk than front line NHS staff, or as you claim, from the ONS?

And, should it be the case that the ONS have stated this, then it is less moronic to think that those stats are simply a crock of shit.

Subsequently, any person who has lived long enough, would certainly have bore witness to figures and stats that are regularly manipulated to suit any agenda it serves, either it being a newspaper of a certain political persuasion, or, indeed, a Chinese government.

You are seemingly looking for a narrative of your own, certainly when it comes to continually minimising the obvious risk to a large section of the populous?

Apologies if I have misread your postings, as it is a very worrying time for my family, but you post a theme of general dismissiveness, and certainly shouldn't be playing down NHS staff efforts/risks in comparison to taxi drivers and labourers?

I will leave it there, because the world has plenty people way smarter than me trying to dig us out of this nightmare.

Please accept this in the good manner it is intended.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

People believe what they agree with, anything that strays slightly from this they dismiss it as fake news. Never known anything like it before.

Do you believe a front line NHS worker is at no more risk than a building labourer?

How many labourers have died so far?

Where is the ONS report for this comparison?

 

[goatersnipple]

Pubs will open in July assuming we meet the 5 criteria.

I hope your right

 

[Proy]

So what's the alternative from there are they suggesting anything? How do we get back to some sort of feeling of normal without a vaccine, I assume it relies on a mix of development on treatments/herd immunity?

You get back to a type of normality by taking risks, without a vaccine.

The economy will not wait for a vaccine. It can’t. So to navigate that is going to require doing things that will likely aid the spread of the virus. Unfortunately, it’s the devil and the deep blue sea.

Control the risks as much as possible whilst reopening and monitor it. If it looks like a 2nd wave is going to happen, then we go back.

 

[kaz7]

That's what was said in the briefing. The last group of trials is scheduled for October.

Vaccine development will go carefully,you can't hurry it up because you need to bump it up to thousands of people in the trial and once the trials are done the data has to be collated and licence applied for,what we seem to be doing is cutting corners in the making of it and taking the risk that it will turn out to be fine,thus saving time but a vaccine might never be discovered ,they are very hopeful of course

 

[Proy]

I hope your right

The date given is July 4th for soft openings, likely pubs with gardens first.

That is the actual government strategy.

The only thing that will stop is the R rate moving past 1 and a 2nd wave arrival.

At the moment, my feeling is some pubs will reopen on that date, but it’ll not be for long.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

If it looks like a 2nd wave is going to happen, then we go back.

I thought the lockdown/open situation was whilst we wait for a vaccine. If a vaccine can't be made, can we really keep locking down and opening up on/off indefinitely?

 

[Quad]

The date given is July 4th for soft openings, likely pubs with gardens first.

That is the actual government strategy.

The only thing that will stop is the R rate moving past 1 and a 2nd wave arrival.

At the moment, my feeling is some pubs will reopen on that date, but it’ll not be for long.

Would you risk going to a beer garden if allowed? We have far too many idiots can you think what it’s going to be like if allowed

 

[Proy]

I thought the lockdown/open situation was whilst we wait for a vaccine. If a vaccine can't be made, can we really keep locking down and opening up on/off indefinitely?

If that is what is required I see no reason why not.

Economically, this is going to be a major challenge. There will come a point where a continued lockdown will outweigh what this virus is capable of.

I genuinely don’t know the answer in respect of how to proceed, but looking at the current situation it would seem we have already decided.

 

[bluemoon32]

Family get together next door in their garden, my Mrs is going mental but i've told her to just ignore it as we're not the covid-19 police.
Bit scary though when you realise one of them is a nurse & one is a phlebotomist, i wouldn't want them treating an elderly relative of mine .

 

[kaz7]

So what's the alternative from there are they suggesting anything? How do we get back to some sort of feeling of normal without a vaccine, I assume it relies on a mix of development on treatments/herd immunity?

Medications already in use ,like HIV drugs are the other options,nobody has discovered one yet but every country is working on it,they will find treatments,also there is the plasma treatment,things that will stop people ending up in ventilators is the most important thing,for the rest of us who get it mild and moderate i think will just have to get herd immunity,immunity is not assured at this stage so that I suppose is a risky strategy, as we have found out,someone somewhere will come up with a vaccine i think but if course their own people will get it first,hopefully that is us but I think people have to aware that it is not a given