Coronavirus: Football Discussion Thread

Boris Becker’s Backhand said:
Plenty of other countries are opening schools
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Have you got children or grandchildren of school age. I`d prefer not to gamble the lives of my grandchildren in the hope that the opening of school is ok.

I`ve got 3, I`d prefer them not to be used as guinea pigs by a government with a financial vested interest in a re-start. I can`t trust the to make the decision for health reasons.

More cases of rare syndrome in children reported globally


Nearly 100 cases of the unusual illness linked to Covid-19 have emerged in at least six countries

Ian Sample and Denis Campbell

Wed 29 Apr 2020 18.55 BSTLast modified on Wed 29 Apr 2020 20.35 BST

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Some doctors suspect the syndrome is a “post-infection inflammatory response” where the immune system overreacts in the wake of an infection. Photograph: APAImages/REX/Shutterstock
Doctors around the world have reported more cases of a rare but potentially lethal inflammatory syndrome in children that appears to be linked to coronavirus infections.

Nearly 100 cases of the unusual illness have emerged in at least six countries, with doctors in Britain, the US, France, Italy, Spain and Switzerland now reported to be investigating the condition.

The first cases came to light this week when the NHS issued an alert to paediatricians about a number of children admitted to intensive care units with a mix of toxic shock and a condition known as Kawasaki disease, an inflammatory disorder that affects the blood vessel, heart and other organs. So far 19 children have been affected in the UK and none have died.

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The French health minister, Olivier Veran, said on Wednesday that the country had more than a dozen children with inflammation around the heart, and while there was insufficient evidence to prove a link with coronavirus, he said the cases were being taken “very seriously.”

Veran told Franceinfo news radio he had received an alert from Paris concerning “about 15 children of all ages”, adding that other cases had been reported in Spain, Italy and Switzerland. He listed the symptoms as fever, digestive problems and vascular inflammation.

At least three children in the US aged six months to eight years are being treated for a similar condition. Mark Gorelik, a specialist treating the patients at Columbia University Medical Center in New York, said all had fever and inflammation of the heart and gut. “Right now, we’re at the very beginning of trying to understand what that represents,” he told Reuters. Gorelik believes the cases are not Kawasaki disease but a similar condition that shares a common cause, namely an infectious agent that triggers an immune response.

The three New York cases follow a report from Stanford University in California, in which a 6-month-old was admitted to hospital with Kawasaki disease and was later diagnosed with coronavirus.

Many of the children having treatment for the new syndrome have tested positive for coronavirus, but others have not. That could mean that the syndrome is not related to coronavirus, that the children had cleared the virus before they were tested, or that the test missed the infection.

Some doctors suspect the syndrome is a “post-infection inflammatory response” where the immune system overreacts in the wake of an infection. This would suggest that in some children the disease has two phases – the initial infection and a secondary immune response that takes hold later.

Dr Nazima Pathan, a consultant in paediatric intensive care in Cambridge, said the number of children admitted to intensive care units with Covid-19 was relatively low, but that some were presenting with what looked like toxic shock syndrome and Kawasaki disease. “These children have had a severe and prolonged inflammatory response to Covid-19 infection and they have not had severe lung disease, unlike the majority of cases in adults,” she said.

“Whilst this is an evolving situation, it is clear that these symptoms are reported in only handfuls of cases,” Pathan added. “The important message is that if parents are worried about their children’s health, they should seek medical advice.”

The new syndrome, which has yet to be named, dominated discussion between leading doctors on a teleconference about Covid-19 in children hosted on Tuesday by the World Health Organization.

The first known cases in Britain emerged three to four weeks ago, but doctors now plan to look over the medical records of children in intensive care earlier this year to check whether earlier cases were missed.
 
goatersnipple said:
They can do what they like for me.
I will be taking no notice
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Me neither. Not even City games. Football is nothing without fans! I don’t even watch pre-season training games with 50,000 nobodies in a stadium on the other side of the world, so I’m not going to be watching these with nobody in the stadium.

Especially when it isn’t scientifically safe for them to be playing and they’re all completely breaking restrictions by playing.

I’m not allowed to take 21 mates and play a game in a park, and I’m not allowed to attend these Prem games. So why are they allowed to play them?

They shouldn’t be playing games until it’s scientifically safe to do so, the govt allows it to happen across society and fans are allowed in to attend.
 
richardtheref said:
As well as some idiot trying to swap shirts after the game. The gladbach player looked at him as if he had just shat on him
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That should be their reaction for having to play full stop.

They’ll be sweating and breathing all over each other at set pieces, saw on the news that they celebrated by all running to each other in a huddle and touching elbows with each other. Everyone who has to pick up the ball at a throw-in has to pick up a ball someone else has just headed or thrown-in previously.

And there’s no way they’re going to stop spitting and clearing their noses out all over the pitch all game.
 
Boris Becker’s Backhand said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...-spreading-schools-extremely-low-study-finds/
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What’s your point? School staff, unions and the British Medical Association aren’t saying that they don’t want to reopen because it’ll spread the visus, they simply want scientific assurances from the govt that say it’s safe. If they can produce those assurances they all want schools to reopen.

So far the govt have produced no evidence though. And the fact the BMA is on the school staff and unions side should tell you a lot!

And you’re just showing me one newspaper article. There are many saying various things across a spectrum. Some say not enough time has gone to know how the spread in schools will go. Others say that the studies of schools have been done in countries with barely any covid compared to Great Britain.

Here’s something that’s showing that children are getting it and dying:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200511142153.htm

And a lot of deaths in young people are from post-Covid complications that aren’t being attributed to Covid in the Covid figures. Kawasaki Disease, Paediatric multisystem inflammatory syndrome, Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome and aneurisms are what are being attributed to the deaths... but they’re getting those after having had Covid.
 
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The day Germany started the Bundesliga they had 407 new cases and 22 deaths. How many weeks or possibly months do we think we are away from those numbers?
 
Not sure what other options are possible atm.

I was thinking of the last live match I watched (Atletico vs Liverpool) in CL on one station while the PSG match was being played without fans on the other - it was night & day in terms of tension, energy, passion etc. Effectively, football vs training

I'm not a negative nellie but I don't see how this can really work & keep the collective interest of even football starved fans
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
The day Germany started the Bundesliga they had 407 new cases and 22 deaths. How many weeks or possibly months do we think we are away from those numbers?
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If people don’t abide by the social distancing rules a long time! Think the last few weeks where it’s been relaxed a bit and some going around like the lock down is over we will see in about another 2/3 weeks if we get a spike if we don’t means the summer has killed most of the virus but expect it to return October/November.
 
BluechesterCity said:
Fair enough - those things are tacky and fairly ridiculous. If any matter with the virus on/in it comes into contact with that cloth material it will linger there and the mask will just harbour the virus. Meanwhile the person wearing it could expose themselves to it, limit the amount of oxygen they are taking into their bodies and increase the amount of CO2 in their blood, and, if they have Covid19 (hence stories of older folk collapsing with them on), they could be just reinfecting themselves with every breath (from what I heard on Radio 4).
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Also the fact they being uncomfortable to wear people fiddle with them having touched surfaces that could be infected thus transferring that infection directly
 
As there will be no atmosphere at games without fan is there a reason to giving the DJ a list of crowd noices to play during the game?
 
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Psychedelic Casual said:
Me neither. Not even City games. Football is nothing without fans! I don’t even watch pre-season training games with 50,000 nobodies in a stadium on the other side of the world, so I’m not going to be watching these with nobody in the stadium.

Especially when it isn’t scientifically safe for them to be playing and they’re all completely breaking restrictions by playing.

I’m not allowed to take 21 mates and play a game in a park, and I’m not allowed to attend these Prem games. So why are they allowed to play them?

They shouldn’t be playing games until it’s scientifically safe to do so, the govt allows it to happen across society and fans are allowed in to attend.
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There is a huge difference in the risk of fans in a stand, or traveling to games on public transport, or in packed and closed concourses to players playing football in the open air with players who are regularly tested. Footballers don't tend to diabetic, overweight or over 65 either (the well known risk factors).

Given our knowledge of how the virus spreads and what the risk settings are (indoor areas packed with people with no ventilation) you simply cannot equate the risks of players and fans.

I've seen claims from tracing studies of nCov infections that show less than 1% of infections originated in outdoor settings. That should at least make you think about what your claim.

If you are not convinced, read this blog about risk settings and how to avoid them by a Professor of Biology: https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them
 
Marvin said:
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There is a huge difference in the risk of fans in a stand, or traveling to games on public transport, or in packed and closed concourses to players playing football in the open air with players who are regularly tested. Footballers don't tend to diabetic, overweight or over 65 either (the well known risk factors).

Given our knowledge of how the virus spreads and what the risk settings are (indoor areas packed with people with no ventilation) you simply cannot equate the risks of players and fans.

I've seen claims from tracing studies of nCov infections that show less than 1% of infections originated in outdoor settings. That should at least make you think about what your claim.

If you are not convinced, read this blog about risk settings and how to avoid them by a Professor of Biology: https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them
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The thing that makes football the greatest and most popular sport in the world is the bond between the fans and the players.

Without it, it is nothing.

One of the negatives of the modern game is the lack of atmosphere, almost certainly caused by normal working class fans priced out of the beautiful game.

I could think of nothing worse than watching a game, even played by the worlds greatest players in an empty stadium with no supporters.

And added to all of this, the current situation has brought a reality check to the worlds population, talk of multi million pound transfers and contracts now makes me want to puke.

Football needs to be very careful in the coming months and years.
 
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